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Your friends? You enjoy

Resistance — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:11:53 +0000

In reply to More friends telling you "to

Your friends? You enjoy following the lead of Evangelicals, who at any time could muster up their fellow, MORAL MAJORITY members who'll go after those groups that are considered by them, not Christian enough?

Once declared Un- Christian, and they'd have already been disarmed and defenseless.

You're probably correct AA, I am in the minority and I don't feel safe in that position.

The very reason for the "Right to Bear arms"

Thanks AA

More friends telling you "to

artappraiser — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:44:46 +0000

In reply to Cuomo for President in

More friends telling you "to surrender" here; you are truly part of a very small minority.

Orlando, nice try, except

Resistance — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:42:21 +0000

In reply to The sale of beef is regulated

Orlando, nice try, except there is no "right to beef products, shall not be infringed"

BZZZZZ.

The sale of beef is regulated

Orlando — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:36:17 +0000

In reply to I am not surprised that many

The sale of beef is regulated to prevent as many cases of contamination as possible. Once again, you've chosen an argument that supports gun control rather than proves it's a bad idea.

Where in that mission

Ramona — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:48:11 +0000

In reply to Cuomo for President in

Where in that mission statement does it say they'll fight to the death to keep semi-automatics and even bigger weapons in the hands of all people? Or that they'll take mountains of money from gun sellers and manufacturers in order to become a powerful enough lobby to scare our leaders into taking a hands-off approach to sensible gun control?

This is what it says:

These activities are designed to promote firearms and hunting safety, to enhance marksmanship skills of those participating in the shooting sports, and to educate the general public about firearms in their historic, technological and artistic context.

If you had read the article I cited in my post you would have seen that the Right Wing has taken over an organization that did start out as an advocate for gun safety, marksmanship skills and firearm education. That is not their main focus today, and hasn't been since the mid-1970s.

But I'm curious--when did you become an NRA member? How many years have you been involved? What's in it for you?

Cuomo for President in

Resistance — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:18:00 +0000

In reply to I'm not interested in

Cuomo for President in 2016,

"He wasn't afraid;

to take on the NRA"

It's clear that even a substantial portion of the NRA membership does not always agree with what the NRA has done with its lobbying power.

It isn't clear to me, or many others, that those who are NRA members, would undermine the lobbying power, of the very group they support.

Why belong, if you, a NRA member thought, your gun rights are safe, because people like you said, they are not trying to limit your rights.

Why would anyone need to support a group, who has lawyers and a team of lobbyist, to present theirs/your interests before Congress, if all you gun control advocates could be trusted ?

That would be like me telling you, we have a poll that say's the majority of democrats believe, Obama should compromise and cut Social Security. BS

One doesn't have to be an NRA member to hunt. So why would you need to be an NRA member?

We belong to the NRA because; we want to support the lobbying efforts that protect our 2nd Amendment rights.

http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp

MISSION STATEMENT

Established in 1990, the NRA Foundation, Inc., is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization that raises tax-deductible contributions in support of a wide range of firearms-related public interest activities of the National Rifle Association of America and other organizations that defend and foster the Second Amendment rights of all law-abiding Americans. These activities are designed to promote firearms and hunting safety, to enhance marksmanship skills of those participating in the shooting sports, and to educate the general public about firearms in their historic, technological and artistic context.

NRA members are not falling for this effort to divide and conquer.

You saying to me "Even your friends tell you to surrender"

AA; They're not my friends and I seriously doubt their commitment to the NRA.

I'm not interested in

artappraiser — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:59:59 +0000

In reply to I am not complaining about

I'm not interested in Polls

Once again: majority rules, courts rectify if rights of minority are infringed

Polls have said majority have wanted some of these restrictions for a very long time.

Many who have wanted restrictions and haven't got them have argued that those of your opinion have unfairly lobbied and corrupted Congress to work against the majority's will for a very long time. It's clear that even a substantial portion of the NRA membership does not always agree with what the NRA has done with its lobbying power.

You won for decades against the will of the majority (by lobbying politicians and by more corrupt political action at times) and you're freaking out and whining about a few restrictions being added to address the recent changes in weapons capabilities, restrictions which the majority wants.

Furthermore, nobody is taking guns away, they are adjusting laws to the reality of new kinds and types of weapons continually available on the market.

In that context, you and the NRA are the ones that keep raising the bar, not happy with the weapons and ammunition you were happy with a couple of years ago, and, in that context, yes, it's not a joke: it follows that they and you want everyone who wants them to be able to have a bazooka, cannon and armed drones as well.

You're always preaching about "the people" not getting what they want. Well, one of the things "the people" want is some more restrictions on what kind of guns are out there and who qualifies to own what kind.

You don't seem to realize how ridiculous your arguments here seem to anyone who has read your comments for some time, that if you replaced "Mortgage Industry" for "NRA," I know you'd come down exactly on the other side of the issue, you're with the big bad guys here.

I am not complaining about

Resistance — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:52:48 +0000

In reply to Now you're the one

I am not complaining about the way the founders set it up, I am only complaining on how those opposed to the restrictions put upon them, abuse the system. Cuomo and those like him, make a mockery of the system.

Cuomo looks tough, as he brings forth challenges to the Constitution. If the courts reject his approach or his legal interception, Cuomo still looks tough.

"Vote for Cuomo he's tough" who cares if he abused the system for political gain?

Keep "Waving the Bloody shirt" if it gets you the votes and that's really all that matters, to these low life politicians.

Edit to add

I'm not interested in Polls.

If you provided a poll, that says the majority say they want to defend marriage, and those opposed should be sent to a camp to be reeducated.

Am I supposed to react "Really!! Well by all means the polls couldn't possibly be biased."

Or the folks in the deep south took a poll, and "the majority agrees slavery is acceptable?"

Who give a crap about your poll # AA; were not supposed to run our government on the polls, except cowardly politicians, use polls to give them cover.

Now you're the one

artappraiser — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:35:57 +0000

In reply to I believe if you got to the

Now you're the one complaining about the way The Founders put it all together: majority rules in the legislative, and courts protect the rights of any minority after the fact.

Edit to add: your POV is a pretty small minority; you've got a long row to hoe And an aside: that poll and others have convinced me that your past arguments that this is going to lose votes for Dems that they could have on other issues aren't correct. The rabid opposition consists mostly of rock solid right wing across the board politically and is never going to agree with left of center on mostly everything else. Seems like even most gun owners and enthusiasts think more like Cuomo and ocean-kat here at dagblog than like you.

I believe if you got to the

Resistance — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:17:32 +0000

In reply to A shooter uses a gun clip,

I believe if you got to the bottom of the governors position, he is of that group, who doesn't recognize "the right to self defense"

He probably is of the opinion, the Second amendment was written only for the benefit of hunters.

What is most troubling, is that the legislature had very little time to read the bill.

Imagine somewhere buried in the legal mumbo jumbo, all the rights permitted to a minority had been repealed and if you don't like it, appeal to a higher court to overturn the law.

Putting the burden on the minority, to bring it before the courts, to have it ruled unconstitutional. In the meantime, you can persecute the minority, till a ruling is handed down.