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I wonder how he responded to

Resistance — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:22:04 +0000

In reply to Lemme guess - he also loved

I wonder how he responded to his mothers demands, to wash up, clean up your room come to the dinner table and afterwards you have chores to do. NOW TURNOFF THAT D..N computer.

How he responded the first time would have been a clue?

Lemme guess - he also loved

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 13:22:58 +0000

In reply to Sounds alot like a drama I

Lemme guess - he also loved ice cream. And had a mother. And ate food. And breathed.

I've no idea where you got

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:58:10 +0000

In reply to Thanks Peracles I?ll try to

I've no idea where you got into all these discussions about Dr. Spock. But there have been spoiled children since time immemorial.

You also don't even discuss other obvious factors, such as TV launching around the same time, bringing advertising, materialism, lust for more toys & gadgets into the house, combined with post-war prosperity and great shifts into suburbs and off the farm.

Or how about the sudden boom in toys as post-war synthetics like nylon, acrylic, formica, polyester (here's a description of the 1946 nylon riots). Think having 10 toys instead of 1 might promote more selfish behavior?

Instead it's guns & Dr. Spock & religion?

There are thousands of ADHD

Resistance — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:42:42 +0000

In reply to Define "GOOD parent" or "GOOD

There are thousands of ADHD kids who need medication to calm down......

and all the other conditions you mentioned, I do not disagree.

Your asphyxiation cure is over the top

Get help, get the government and charities to help.

Just get them help before..... societies tool to rid society of criminals; the Sword of Justice does.

Sounds alot like a drama I

Resistance — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:30:26 +0000

In reply to Your comment suggested the

Sounds alot like a drama I saw once. It may have had the character Sykes?

Oh by the way, Did you hear, this last killer, immensely loved, violent video games?

Thanks Peracles I?ll try to

Resistance — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:15:03 +0000

In reply to My bed only has 2 wrong

Thanks Peracles I’ll try to remember; I should just drink the koolaid to get along?

In conclusion, I’ll leave another perspective from another source, I haven’t read the whole article yet, but this snippet, is that okay I hope so, because I found some of your Dr Spocks snippets acceptable.

Child Discipline and Parenting Philosophy - Yahoo! Voices - voices ...

Admit it . . . You know the ones I'm talking about. Little Junior running wild, getting into everything, running over people, knocking items off shelves, opening packages, or even breaking store goods. All the while, Little Junior's parents seem totally oblivious, completely ignoring their child. Then whenever a store clerk politely asks Little Junior's parents to please keep a closer eye on their child, the parents act offended and snap at the clerk.

I've overheard some variation of the above scenario numerous times. The child's parent may yell or cuss at the clerk and tell them not to refer to "their" child in that manner or tone of voice. Then the parent tells the unruly child to ignore the "mean lady" (or man) and lets them continue doing whatever they please.

Is it any wonder we have such high juvenile delinquency in this country? Imagine how much better our society would be if we could teach ineffective parents how to better parent and take more responsibility for their child's behavior.

I’ll say it again, I saw these scenarios day in and day out and a common aspect was these parents, recommending to me, Dr.Spock and them saying to me “ you should like him too, he’s opposed to the war.”

Forget the koolaid, I’m not running for a popularity contest I don’t intend to sit down and join the Circle J ranch, I express my opinions based upon my experiences.

I'd have a lot more to say about how You judge success.

But lets agree to disagree. I told you I agreed 99.9%, well we just found the .1%

Your comment suggested the

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:39:17 +0000

In reply to it is easy to identify bad

Your comment suggested the bizarre. Do you know that little Johnnie threw a knife and mom & dad ignored him? Could they have beat him senseless, dragged him to dozens of shrinks, put him on work details and in homes? You don't know, nor do I.

But yeah, Bill Sykes knows when an upstart waif needs the back of a hand or a good throttling. A keen eye for that he's got, don't take no lip neither.

Define "GOOD parent" or "GOOD

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:34:57 +0000

In reply to it is easy to identify bad

Define "GOOD parent" or "GOOD child". Obama's father was an irresponsible bigamist lush and his mom sent him off to live with his grandparents, but he became Senator & President. Other parents have doted over their kids only to find their emotional problems become bigger or they run into problems with peer pressure. I imagine the only measure you have of a "GOOD parent" is if the kid turns out okay, which is just a tautology. Was Patti Hearst a bad kid before kidnapped by the SLA?

Your whole schtick in this thread is to assume and pre-suppose that the kid here had obvious problems and the parents ignored ways of dealing with him (including infanticide - how quaint - get him before he commits parricide). There are thousands of ADHD kids who need medication to calm down, not asphyxiation with a pillow. Some need psychological help, some need a physical change, some need mood swings of deep attention and forced self-sufficiency. I've been through all this. Some kids are easy, some not. The kid here probably was similar to 1000's of others, but only he murdered his family. Blaming it all on the parent or Dr. Spock for not picking out the Bad Seed? Life deals good and bad hands. There is no proscriptive medicine for curing all life's ills or riding the good times right - there are heuristics, but they're incomplete. Deal with it.

My bed only has 2 wrong

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:19:13 +0000

In reply to That's right, Good parents

My bed only has 2 wrong sides. However your post & link gave me a 3rd one.

Dr. Spock's been a target for right-wing nuts ever since he opposed the war.

He never condoned coddling children. There's a balance between neglecting them and pampering them. There's more to the last 50 years than 6 years of flower power. Violence fell through the 90's - does Dr. Spock get credit for that too? Our hippies built Microsoft, Apple, Gnu/Linux (incl. Android), Wikipedia.

The founder of Amazon comes from a classic teenage pregnancy, broken home, poor new immigrant step-father that right-wingers would love to point to as the moral decay of America - and this guy completely reinvents our retail model and the way we do computing services.

Mark Zuckerberg's father taught him programming before he was 10 - how Spock-like of him. The father should have sat in his chair reading the paper drinking his cocktail and let his son develop self-sufficiency by learning to mix his first daiquiri. Then we would have been spared Facebook and instead gotten another Raytheon engineer to build drones.

I imagine that most who recite this bullshit have never read Dr. Spock. On page 621 of my edition, he states: "Our only realistic hope, as I see it, is first to bring up our children with a feeling that they are in this world not for their own satisfaction but primarily to serve others. Children are proud to think that they can be truly useful and they will rise to the challenge. This attitude can be instilled when they're very young."

Got a problem with that attitude?

On pages 12-14 he addresses Quality Time, Special Time, and "The Temptation to Spoil".

Running around tossing out long-debunked right-wing tropes that you haven't considered doesn't make you very popular or respected.

it is easy to identify bad

Resistance — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 07:34:38 +0000

In reply to " it is easy to identify bad

it is easy to identify bad traits, in younger children that need to be dealt with at an early age, before it's too late."

It should be obvious to any GOOD parent. If little Johnnie, is allowed to throw a temper tantrum and decides to throw a knife, in mom and dad’s direction; Hmmm Peracles; you think you can identify a bad trait?

I never said we can’t love our children and coddle them with love,

But there comes a time when discipline is necessary, and we don't coddle or reward bad behavior.

Bill Sykes is my role model.

Now that is a bizarre twist, really absurd, that you thought my comment suggested any such thing.