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Karzai is saying " so, her

jollyroger — Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:17:48 +0000

In reply to Not that I believe he is any

Karzai is saying " so, her name is Roxanne...tell her I sent you, I'll get 20%",

Not that I believe he is any

artappraiser — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 03:28:52 +0000

In reply to Karzai Has Nothing but Praise

Not that I believe he is any more sincere now than he was then, but:

Karzai says media misinterpreted comments on U.S. and Taliban
By Tom Cohen and Jason Hanna, CNN, March 26, 2013

I haven't watched the video there, but in the screenshot for it, they look like the best of buds:

Karzai Has Nothing but Praise

artappraiser — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:09:30 +0000

In reply to Afghanistan vaults past US on civil liberties and human rights! It comes to this!

Karzai Has Nothing but Praise for U.S. Upon Bagram Prison Transfer
By Rold Nordland, Michael R. Gordon and Alissa J. Rubin, New York Times, March 25/26, 2013

BAGRAM, Afghanistan — Within hours of the American military’s formally transferring all but a “small number” of the Afghan prisoners at the Bagram Prison to the Afghan government, President Hamid Karzai held a friendly news conference with Secretary of State John Kerry on Monday that stood in stark contrast to his recent acrimonious tone toward the United States.
The apparent rapprochement, which the Americans worked hard to achieve, was a product in part of policy turnarounds on detention and on the deployment of Special Operations forces in a crucial province.

In both cases, the Americans appeared to choose long-term influence in Afghanistan over holding firm on thorny issues. On detention, American officials had long feared that the Afghans might release dangerous Taliban prisoners. But the Obama administration has made a priority of reaching an agreement on an American military presence here after 2014 that will allow the United States to keep tabs on Iran and Pakistan and contain extremists in Pakistan’s ungoverned tribal areas.

None of the tension that marked Mr. Karzai’s recent meeting with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel was on display Monday evening. [.....]

I failed to make myself

jollyroger — Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:53:40 +0000

In reply to Baloney, you have an ax to

I failed to make myself clear.

My objection is not that Afghan courts manifest superior administration of justice. It is that individuals in the instant context are denied access to the courts at all. That is the gravamen of administrative detention.

Baloney, you have an ax to

tmccarthy0 — Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:54:39 +0000

In reply to You trust them implicitly

Baloney, you have an ax to grind because of the baby jesus Bradley Manning. But we know for a fact that the government did confine him to solitary confinement, and we also know how wrong that was and is, and that a judge reprimanded the government over it. I don't really believe in solitary confinement for anyone. But he isn't a saint either Rog, he was a screwed up kid who had no business in the position he was in. He may or may not have done damage to the nation, but all that will come out and we will all know about it, unlike Afghani's, who hear nothing but propaganda, are deliberately taught that illiteracy is the way to go, and they are taught to hate everyone, but the particularly hold women in contempt. And that hell hole we refer to as Afghanistan does not have a court system that can compare to ours, fairness isn't even a doctrine for them, but bribery holds the key to a good ruling, unless of course you are a woman. People can't speak out against the government in Afghanistan, they can't speak out against their tribal leaders and women can't speak. They not only aren't a fair representation of what justice is, that system is the opposite of what is justice! Comparing our court system to theirs as though any part of theirs is better is unbelievably naive and proves my point that you have a prior ax to grind.

That prior ax is Vietnam, and I am here to say this, while your generation has every right to be angry with that what happened to you and others, there is little comparison to our current situation and on top of that, get over it, it shades everything, I look at John McCain it shades his entire being because to this day he is trying to prove that was a just war, and it was not. So you old guys fall along two sides of the coin, you either want to prove how righteous that was, or you want to say the US Government is evil because of that and that proves it is evil now. And you are still pissed about it, and I get that, but God Damn it, it doesn't shade what is going on today. Give me a break. You see everything in that light, it has ruined your ability to reason with what is our current situation. And I am not saying that the President is doing everything right, but I am saying our system is so much better than that system, (that being Afghanistan) and "system" is a term I use loosely when it comes to government systems in Afghanistan, and when you use it to make the claim that some Afghani judge is searching for 'justice' I laugh my ass off, it's clownish at best. And then of course because you can't stop with the Republican BS, you resort to making the claim I support the Pol Pot system of justice, I want to say, Get Bent dipshit, WTF? In now way does the American System of justice represent anything Pol Pot ever did, and that makes you such and asshole for typing those words, it also makes you an epic troll. I am super pissed about that my friend.

Unlike you, I know what being raised in a dysfunctional 3rd world dictatorship is like, I lived it, I know what it is like to never be able to say anything against a current government, if you did their court system would railroad you to Camp Aguinaldo for a little re-education. In fact as my brother and I grew older we were sent to boarding school, just so we would be safe from that kind of Draconian style system of government. Don't ever compare the American system to the medieval tribal lands of Afghanistan, or any third world country, where there is no justice without bribery and there is never justice for women because if you do I am going to be on that, refuting it, like a fly on honey or white on rice.

Okay, now I must prepared to refute your nonsense on my facebook page.. Then it is a work week and Comicon weekend... so.. we will have to put off our arguments until after the fun of the weekend!

Tootles..

Talk at you soon!

TMac, your voice of reason and the reason you come here to argue.

You trust them implicitly

jollyroger — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:41:38 +0000

In reply to No you don't, you like to

You trust them implicitly

Not at all. But I choose to call the close ones in favor of release, whereas we have institutionalized a system of preventive administrative detention where the detention is swallowing up the prevention.

BTW, since you brought him up, just how much good has it done Manning to have the judge enunciate her disapproval of the conditions of his incarceration? I believe she has indicated an intention to take 180 days or so off the 20 years the government is seeking to rob him of. Big fucking deal.

No you don't, you like to

tmccarthy0 — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:18:58 +0000

In reply to In Blackstone's formulation

No you don't, you like to invoke the names of reasonable people in the past who were smart and pretend they would support your logic, just like every Republican out there. It's typical of ideologues to employ tactics that distract from the issue at hand, and means you are unable to actually defend your argument.

Our system is working Roger, because we all know that an American court dinged the US Government for confining Manning to solitary confinement, I think he called it unnecessary. That means our system is working, the Afghani system of "justice" has no such track record and that is supported by how it treats women. The person who is supporting the Pol Pot theory of governance is you buddy, not me. You trust them implicitly because you have an ax to grind.

In Blackstone's formulation

jollyroger — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:37:35 +0000

In reply to Dude... you just can't

In Blackstone's formulation (also known asBlackstone's ratio or theBlackstone ratio) is the principle:

"better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer",

Other commentators have echoed the principle;Benjamin Franklin stated it as, "it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer".^[7]

More authoritarian personalities are supposed to have taken the opposite view;Bismarck is believed to have stated that "it is better that ten innocent men suffer than one guilty man escape;"^[1] and Pol Pot^[8] made similar remarks.

I take it that we may subscribe you to the Bismarck/Pol Pot principle. I prefer to ally myself with Blackstone and Franklin.

Dude... you just can't

tmccarthy0 — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:07:45 +0000

In reply to ?No one is ever charged with

Dude... you just can't convince me, first of all, while Guantanamo isn't my first choice, I definitely wanted those people prosecuted here on our soil, but Republicans are too chickenshit for any of that, but you are now mixing apples with oranges.

I simply do not believe the justice system in Afghanistan is unbiased, (they aren't) I don't believe their rulings are trustworthy, I know factually bribery is a way of life there, so as to your blog, I simply believe that the judge you've mentioned is as crooked and unjust as their entire system is and that is proven by the way they treat women.

You trust them if you like, but as usual... you are wrong.

I don't know; having a few

Aaron Carine — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:24:41 +0000

In reply to Meanwhile NerObama fiddles

I don't know; having a few guys in Niger to conduct surveillance hardly means we're at war there. All we're doing in Mali is refuel French planes.