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Your Salon article wasn't

Anonymous PP — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:56:42 +0000

Your Salon article wasn't just about politicians.

And in any case, Florida elected Alan Grayson, including his recent comeback.

Charlie Crist just switched to Democrat, seems a good balance to the prevailing Republicans.

Huey Long created the quintessential populist pro-people politics in the South that formed the basis for FDR's progressive New Deal.

Al Gore's father was driven from office for opposing the Vietnam War & supporting Civil Rights, but Tennessee turned around and elected his son.

Jimmy Carter improved Civil Rights in Georgia & helped blacks into state office/administration, which helped pave the way for some of the new black politicians in the state like Maynard Jackson (Carter also appointed Andrew Young as UN ambassador when president)

Bill Clinton came out of Arkansas and as president greatly increased black representation at all levels of federal government and helped decrease black poverty by 2/3.

LBJ pushed through the Great Society, and was a voice for tolerance much earlier.

What you seem to miss is that there have been progressive politicians in the south for a long time, that the wave since Reagan has hurt but it's not homogenous still. But national progressives can't make progress in the south if they have to insult the south every time they bring it up. The south will not adopt all policies that you favor - you have to figure out what will fly this generation. Carter supported Calley on My Lai - pretty disgusting - and still feels the party should be more pro-life re: abortion - certainly a debatable stance, and probably supported by Hillary & others.

I'm writing this from the south right now, and you can't imagine the changed feel from 30 years ago - quite beautiful. But most of what's on the radio is Rush Limbaugh & southern imitators - we've surrendered the airwaves, and it's hate & conservative panic over end of the greatest nation evuh, 24x7.

I finally respond after four

Richard Day — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:44:09 +0000

In reply to I read the Salon piece and it

I finally respond after four damn days! hahahaha

I assume nobody reads me anymore. hahaha

There are cracks in the 'structure' as you put it.

And I have love for so many many Southerners.

Like you Momoe, you fight the good fight and hell, I mean Florida went to Obama because of peeps like you!

All righty then!

Yes! The North has so many

Richard Day — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:36:20 +0000

In reply to I spent most of my life in Pa

Yes!

The North has so many sins and I thought I alluded to them rather well...of course I am biased.

But damn; I mean there is an attitude that might be expressed so easily in the South that is no longer allowed in the North.

Thank you Ocean.

Experience trumps theory every damn time!

I spent most of my life in Pa

ocean-kat — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:06:39 +0000

In reply to Yeah, Mississippi and Alabama

I spent most of my life in Pa and spent about 10 years in Fl. I worked in factories in both states. I couldn't believe how they treated the workers in Fl. Even simple things like no mandatory overtime or paid 15 minute breaks every two hours. Nice break rooms with vending machines and microwave ovens. It was a totally different work environment in Pa. Workers are cowed in Fl. They're afraid to speak up.

I also saw much more overt racism in FL. I'm not saying there's no racism in Pa but it sure was more hidden.

Oh give me a break

Richard Day — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:57:53 +0000

In reply to hate away, you somehow cant

Oh give me a break Peracles.

But you have given me impetus; as they say.

I mean, I have been bored to death lately. I am in a slump.

But...you have given me a reason, a reason to keep on keepin on.

So I shall begin a series of posts dedicated to the proposition that the Southern Senators and Congressmen are pricks.

And I shall link all these posts properly and hope that you shall participate.

hahahahahahahahah

I loves the Southern folk.

I think that there are Southerners who are far, far the best folks on the face of the earth.

BUT THE POLITICIANS FROM THE SOUTH SUCK!

the end

FOR NOW

hate away, you somehow cant

Anonymous pp — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:32:47 +0000

In reply to Yeah, Mississippi and Alabama

hate away, you somehow cant fathom your own intolerance and have slid into a blanket stereotype fitting of teabaggers. where was al gore and his father from? where is bipl clinton from and what he bring to racial progress? LBJ rammed thru a ton of progressive civil rights legislation, but you'll just spit on the south as an undifferentiated mass of racism. btw, texas does well in education despite a complex hispanic immigrant population. but hate away, makes nice blinders.

Yeah, Mississippi and Alabama

Richard Day — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:03:33 +0000

In reply to What a dumbass Salon article

Yeah, Mississippi and Alabama and Georgia and Texas and Louisiana and Arkansas and....boy were they always on the forefront of progress.

All these states did nothing but stem the tide of Civil Rights.

All these states pissed on the worker and continue to do the same.

All these states stand at the bottom of educational achievement in this nation and continue to promote religion over science, the rich over the poor and the corporation over the individual.

....

Ahhhhh, forget it!

What a dumbass Salon article

Anonymous PP — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:00:29 +0000

In reply to SOUTHERN MAN IS STILL WITH US; BUT NOT FOR LONG!

What a dumbass Salon article - start off with a North right / South wrong economic bias, and bend your way downwards. No innovation?

The South had steel mills, CNN/Turner Broadcasting came out of the South as a modern media approach (and Turner pioneered the local football TV support approach that made the Falcons a success and launched Cartoon Channel), much of the space program is situated in the South, the South created its own blues & country music industries with greats like Aretha Franklin & Elvis up to modern times like the now aging REM, while writers like Tennessee Williams, Eudora Welty & Truman Capote pioneered issues of gay position in society in their writing, the South has cultivated tourism in New Orleans and Florida, the South has high tech centers in North Carolina & Atlanta, Wal-Mart revolutionized department store logistics, Atlanta is the top US airport with Dallas #4, Wikipedia was created by an Alabaman, etc., etc.

The South was largely bypassed for railroads, development favored just shipping raw materials to the North while gave the North best access to the West. The national interstate reversed this to some extent.

I read the Salon piece and it

trkingmomoe — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:15:10 +0000

In reply to SOUTHERN MAN IS STILL WITH US; BUT NOT FOR LONG!

I read the Salon piece and it hits the nail on the head. Around 45% votes progressive now in the deep south and will continue to grow. The generation that is coming to age is highly influenced by social media and independent blogs. Right now people in the south haven't come to grips with.the fact that it is their state laws that are holding their local economies down. We will start seeing cracks in the south's power structure after the 2016 presidental election cycle. Right now they still have Obama to blame. People are growing tired of the "mean stupid party" even in the south.