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I think they used to call it

jollyroger — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:25:18 +0000

In reply to So you don't think "genocide"

I think they used to call it eugenics, or something like that. simple racism will do.

I will concede that genocide

jollyroger — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:21:24 +0000

I will concede that genocide is over-the-top to describe refusing conjugal visits. I'm not sure what to call the ghettoization of Gaza, though. Apartheid, shitstorm though it provoked when used by Carter, seems to me a bit flat.

Fair and balanced? Who do you

jollyroger — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:14:42 +0000

In reply to So you don't think "genocide"

Fair and balanced? Who do you think I am, Chris Wallace?

I know I repeated myself;

Aaron Carine — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 01:38:48 +0000

In reply to That's a toughie; if

I know I repeated myself; that was for emphasis, although some might call it obsessing.

That's a toughie; if

Aaron Carine — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 01:27:07 +0000

In reply to I suppose you would take less

That's a toughie; if Coleridge needed to be an opium addict to write, should we have tried to wean him off it, or kept him on it for the sake of literature? But we don't have that problem here; the abuse of the word "genocide" doesn't make for either good poetry or good punditry. If we consider what Israelis are doing to be genocide, we should use the same word to describe Arab terrorism.

So you don't think "genocide"

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 01:16:55 +0000

In reply to I suppose you would take less

So you don't think "genocide" is a politically & historically charged dog-whistle word, and takes away from the fair & balanced framing?

I'm hardly a big fan of Israel's actions with its neighbors, but no, I don't think "genocide" or "apartheid" appropriate for describing this prisoner treatment.

How did we describe these things before Afrikaaners & Nazi Germany?

If what the Israelis are

Aaron Carine — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 01:16:21 +0000

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If what the Israelis are doing amounts to genocide, then so does Arab terrorism.There hasn't been an attempt to exterminate the Palestinians. The Arabs aren't being expelled as they were in 1948(and on several occasions after that).

I suppose you would take less

jollyroger — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 01:06:40 +0000

In reply to Detention without trial isn't

I suppose you would take less exception if the title read "apartheid" instead of "genocide". Not the first time you have objected to my choice of opprobrious frame. think " poetic. license, if you must. ( if you had been Coleridge's next door neighbor you probably would have poured coffee into him to bring him down and we never would have gotten the good stuff.) .

I was pivoting from the

jollyroger — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 00:52:56 +0000

In reply to Detention without trial isn't

I was pivoting from the fairly blatant interference with reproduction targeted at the politically imprisoned. obviously administrative detention isn't " genocide" but it is part of an overall regime which ( as you correctly cite) stretches from forced evacuation, inculcation of terror, etc. (I refuse to use the odious term " ethnic c-------g" for obvious reasons.) I call the overall attitude one of apartheid- "we want the Arabs gone, we dont care how, and the ones we can't drive out we will isolate within our " Jewish state"

Detention without trial isn't

Aaron Carine — Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:31:37 +0000

In reply to yet none may call it genocide...

Detention without trial isn't genocide. Even Sabra and Shatila wasn't an attempt to exterminate an ethnic or national group. But if anyone wants examples of massacres carried out by Israelis, rather than by their allies, google Dawayima, Safsaf, Qibya, Khan Yunis, Rafah, and Kafr Kassem.