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The Monitor article included

Orion — Sat, 23 Mar 2013 04:48:50 +0000

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The Monitor article included information from Kenneth Trump, the president of a school safety consulting firm. Trump noted that recent school shootings often involved "a lone shooter who may not have given many indicators of what he is planning, undiagnosed and untreated mental health issues," and were more difficult to detect due to "ballooning social media" masking the warning signs. He went on to explain that often indicators of these attacks appear on Twitter and Facebook. He added that there were several factors which could lead to an increase in school shootings, such as too much emphasis on bullying [as a cause], untreated mental illnesses, lower funding for school safety programs and training, and a possible complacency in students and administrators.^[74]

Do you really believe there are no criminally mentally ill people in the world, just criminal prescriptions? That's what you sound like sometimes in trying to prove that each and every case supports your theory.

No, and I've never said that. We have had this exact same debate before, artappraiser, and we both have made exactly the same points.

I've pointed out many times that the behavior involved in serial killers - Ted Bundy, Jack the Ripper, the Green River killer, the killers from Truman Capote's In Cold Blood - before modern psych meds was way, way different - with the killers often compartmentalizing their sick deeds and trying to evade capture. All of these killers were often dealing with serious mental illness - but they certainly seem a bit restrained compared to what we are seeing now, aren't they?

There usually was a big man hunt and a mystery as to who did it. There was usually a smaller body count.

Guys like T.J. Lane, James Holmes, etc. - who explode out of the blue and seem to act as if nothing happened at all, even waiting for the police to arrest them - you have never seen anything like this before except maybe in a warzone. And you certainly never saw it happen every single day. We all know something is off.

As for acting like every case supports my theory, it is only ones like this - with young individuals who obviously spent time in the modern psychiatric system (you don't really believe TJ Lane's disturbances were "untreated," do you?) in which the involvement of medication causing "homicidal ideation" really seem likely.

Shootings at Chinese restaurants in Philadelphia, etc. more than likely are the culprit of an insane living climate that this country now is immersed in. That's far more disturbing than the simple possibility of firearms or drugs destroying us.

Huh? Looks to me that this

artappraiser — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:28:14 +0000

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Huh? Looks to me that this guy has a permanent case of "homicidal ideation," with or without prescription meds, as he's still doing it at his sentencing hearing over a year later. At his sentencing hearing, for chrissakes!

Looking at the Wikipedia entry, I'd buy the genetic argument over anything else:

Although family court records concerning T.J. Lane had not been released, as of March 12, 2012, the press did expose criminal records of Lane's father, Thomas M. Lane, Jr. The records showed that in 2002 the elder Lane was incarcerated for one year for attempted murder. In an ordeal lasting nine hours, he physically and verbally assaulted a woman while three children were present. In addition, "he has arrests on a wide range of offenses including drug abuse and possession, violation of probation, public intoxication and disorderly conduct."^[42]

And Wikipedia happens to quote another article which counters your opinion that it's mental health treatments that are causing the problem; my highlighting:

The Monitor article included information from Kenneth Trump, the president of a school safety consulting firm. Trump noted that recent school shootings often involved "a lone shooter who may not have given many indicators of what he is planning, undiagnosed and untreated mental health issues," and were more difficult to detect due to "ballooning social media" masking the warning signs. He went on to explain that often indicators of these attacks appear on Twitter and Facebook. He added that there were several factors which could lead to an increase in school shootings, such as too much emphasis on bullying [as a cause], untreated mental illnesses, lower funding for school safety programs and training, and a possible complacency in students and administrators.^[74]

Do you really believe there are no criminally mentally ill people in the world, just criminal prescriptions? That's what you sound like sometimes in trying to prove that each and every case supports your theory.

Orion — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:41:58 +0000

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