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Disagree - Chechens in

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 24 Apr 2013 02:32:04 +0000

In reply to There was no more and no less

Disagree - Chechens in particular chose high profile but often non-bloody kidnappings & commandeerings as way to highlight their situation. That the Russians often overreacted, killing many of their own citizens in doing so, is to be expected. Which is how they left Chechnya in rubble, calling that a victory over an obvious ethnic independence movement. The Chechen rebel Basayeven even became famous for arranging the peaceful release of 1000 captured hospital workers, a while before his dysfunctional occupation of Beslan.

The Chechnyans have been fighting against the Russian invaders since the 1400s, even converting to Islam to get Ottoman support, and finally occupied by Russia at the end of the 1700s/early 1800s. The Chechens did not go willingly, and have fought Russian rule ever since - including the 60 year Caucasian War, ethnic cleansing & deportations by Stalin, and the secessionist wars of the 90's. If they were Greece, the British would have helped them to independence, but they're too far east and too close to Russian supply lines, so they've been left to deal with it, bad as it is.

Here's a good synopsis of Russian terror and the screwed up occupation of Beslan, noting Putin's use of violence against Chechnya to win the presidency, his storming the school to the horror of the Ossetian parents, and his demagogic blame of Al Qaeda and Russian victimhood to pull all the usual strings of sympathy for the Russian people at the expense of Christian Ossetia and Muslim Chechnya. Kind of similar to our overuse of victimology, even though the Russian actions are much more egregious and destructive than ours (but ours still leave a trail of damage and outraged citizenry, despite our attempts to sanitize our actions and proclaim us the eternal just defenders of peace, democracy and the American way (tm)).

There was no more and no less

Aaron Carine — Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:24:28 +0000

In reply to Well in that case they showed

There was no more and no less of a message than in other terrorist attacks. For them, there were real enemies present; all Americans are the enemy.

Maybe their financiers saw

Resistance — Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:10:17 +0000

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Maybe their financiers saw the two perps pictures, just as we did on the news and to take the heat off of a murder for hire crime and those who paid for it, the powers to be, told the two; "you botched the perfect crime now do something to separate the buyers of your service". Rob a store to make it appear it wasn't originally a hit job for money? Highjack a car and rob the guy of $800.00, MAKE sure the victim knows you were the bombers, this acting would prove you werent paid handsomely for your deeds, as though you're nothing but petty crooks to boot. ...... Does it take priviledge, to be seated or standing that close to the finish line? Who are the victims and who would want them killed?.....Ps. I just read at CNN.com that the police are reopening the killings of the oldest brothers friends, who had their throats cut, with money and drugs planted. Maybe the bombing was revenge?

If this event had occurred

Resistance — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:40:46 +0000

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If this event had occurred earlier than even the Butch /Sundance era and the intended target would have been Lord Charles Cornwallis, they'd have been proclaimed a hero by some. These idiot/losers deserve nothing but scorn. What did their innocent victims do to them? Now they've punished a nation of working class people, to constant surveillance, all in the name of protection. Who the heck were they working for? ..... I sure hope this isnt Janet's Homeland Security' "Fast and Furious" mindset, as they seek to garner more authority? .........Whats next; more video cameras? This is the same Janet N. who gave Arizona; Photoradar, to supplement Arizonas deficit projections and increase State revenues. I wonder if she has a sweet heart deal with Redflex, to put their cameras everywhere now? Except on the Border ?

Logistically possible doesn't

erica20 — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:20:03 +0000

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Logistically possible doesn't equal, in this case, ideologically smart.

There's a lot of story to be filled in here--and even when/if we know everything, some of it might make far more sense to the attackers than it ever will to the rest of us.

Yes, and because runners are

erica20 — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:55:41 +0000

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Yes, and because runners are finishing a 26-mile run, there would be people waiting for them with backpacks full of clothing, snacks, fresh shoes, etc.

Some of those backpacks might be left lying about while somebody went over to the finish line to take a photo, etc. People might not report such a thing if they thought the person would be right back....

Sigh.

Well in that case they showed

artappraiser — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:54:38 +0000

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Well in that case they showed virtually no understanding of what terrorism is used for. They just wanted to find a venue where they could easily kill people and thereby turn nearly the whole world against them? That was the goal? No known terrorist organizations or jihadis or anarchists want to have anything to do with their act so far, none of them seem to see attacking a major marathon as a cool or smart thing to do at all. There's no coherent message in the act, and no enemies, real or symbolic, in the event and its participants.

I believe he will be

erica20 — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:51:41 +0000

In reply to This guy will be convicted,

I believe he will be convicted. You are probably correct about the death penalty, but depending on how it all goes, there may be factors that will change that.

I'm talking more about the approach to the case, how the case plays out in the public eye, and what its ultimate significance will be.

This guy will be convicted,

NCD — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:29:43 +0000

In reply to Tsarnaev opens strong with Full Keanu

This guy will be convicted, and get the death penalty. This is not Butch and Sundance.

In 'the Old West' he would've been lynched the same day he was caught.

My own guess would be that

Aaron Carine — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:27:13 +0000

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My own guess would be that they bombed the marathon because no one would have expected it to be a target--there would have been more security at the obvious targets.