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I like the idea of the Senate

stillidealistic — Tue, 28 May 2013 16:55:46 +0000

In reply to I'm open to suggestions - I

I like the idea of the Senate voting on a jobs bill over and over and over...

But I still think that until the House shifts back to Dem control we're screwed on the jobs front.

When thinking about the possibility of creating our own jobs, that's what Bill Gates and Steve Jobs did, and look how many millionaires and billionaires and GREAT mid-range jobs they created. Surely there are many more technological advances to be made - more jobs of the future that we can't imagine right now. Fat lot of good that does those struggling right now, I know.

Hopefully there will be a breakthrough before irreparable damage is done to the economic structure of the country and we completely lose the middle class.

In fact, I'm kind of surprised that these people who believe government is the enemy have not done more to spur growth in the private sector, just to prove they do a better job than the government. I would be curious to know what the employment figures would be now, had we not lost so many public sector jobs...

But, I believe in the entrepreneurial spirit of Americans. We've done it before, we can do it again. And really, we don't have many other options, at least not right now.

I'm open to suggestions - I

ocean-kat — Tue, 28 May 2013 06:15:06 +0000

In reply to If we don't do it ourselves,

I'm open to suggestions - I just haven't heard anything that makes any sense to me.

You know, that's exactly how I feel. I've even said those same words several times.

We're facing a real crisis and no one seems to have a solution that makes sense to me. Its not just the persistent high unemployment. Its the loss of mid level wage jobs and their replacement by low wage jobs. Its the hollowing out of the middle class.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/02/28/how-the-reces...

Mid-wage jobs made up about 60% of the job losses during the recession. But those mid-wage jobs have made up just 22% of the jobs gained during the recovery. Low-wage jobs were 21% of the job losses but were 58% of the job gains.

This is not just about the recession, its been happening for years. The recession was just an explosion after years of a slow burn.

"Those jobs aren't coming back" you posted, others here have said to me, I read in news sites every where. Ok, then what? What is going to stop this trend and turn it around? Are we to become a nation of many poor people, a few rich, with a hollowed out middle class? Is this the new reality?

I'm open to suggestions - I just haven't heard anything that makes any sense to me.

We'll just have to create our own high or mid paying jobs doesn't make sense to me. Its just not going to happen. Not for 12 million unemployed people and the additional tens of millions who have lost their mid level paying job and are stuck in low wage service jobs.

I know the problem is not Obama's fault. I agree its the republicans in the house that hold the most blame. But I would like to see the democrats lose, as they inevitably will, while fighting, so that they make the issues clear. For example, every time a bridge collapses or a pipe line breaks I'd like to see a few democrats stand up and say over and over and over again, "Our infrastructure is falling apart. We have a bill in congress to repair and rebuild but the republicans will not pass it in any form at all. It would put millions of unemployed Americans back to work. But all the republicans want to do is lower taxes on the rich."

The house voted to repeal Obamacare 38 times. How about the senate votes on a jobs bill 38 times?

I'd like to see the democrats identified as the party of jobs and the economy. That's surely not how they are perceived now. Maybe that would put the democrats on the way to winning more seats in the house and the senate. The way we're going now there's a good chance we might lose the senate in 2014.

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Resistance — Tue, 28 May 2013 05:04:04 +0000

In reply to Yeah, I should know better

If we don't do it ourselves,

stillidealistic — Tue, 28 May 2013 02:07:35 +0000

In reply to Yes the whole problem is our

If we don't do it ourselves, Ocean kitty, who is going to? On his own, no Ratigan can't make a huge difference, but if there were thousands or millions of those types of projects, it would. At least he's doing something to get real food to people, instead of the fake stuff the corporations are trying to kill us with.

The House will not allow government spending for jobs, and corporations don't seem to be willing. Obama can jump up and down and scream and holler, and it won't make a hill of beans worth of difference. He cannot MAKE Congress do anything. And neither could any other President, under these circumstances. I don't care who has been able to do it in the past, this is a different time with a different breed of opposition than we've had in the past.

I'm open to suggestions - I just haven't heard anything that makes any sense to me.

Yeah, I should know better

Verified Atheist — Mon, 27 May 2013 17:04:39 +0000

In reply to A song that provides me with

Yeah, I should know better than to have an argument with Resistance. Arguing against someone who sees logical inconsistencies as a virtue is akin to Sisyphus pushing that boulder up the hill…

You give Obama and the

Resistance — Sun, 26 May 2013 03:06:01 +0000

In reply to The problem is, you are

You give Obama and the Democrats an inch and they think they're a ruler....... If it moves Tax it, if it continues to move, regulate it, if it isnt moving, subsidize it ...... I learned from my own government, that forming an alliance on one issue benefits both. We armed the Mujahideen and together we kicked the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. We failed to nurture this new found alliance.

The problem is, you are

stillidealistic — Sun, 26 May 2013 02:49:28 +0000

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The problem is, you are aiding and abetting the tea party because you agree with them on one issue. They come with a slew of issues that are REALLY bad for the country, and when you give them an inch, they take a mile.

The enemy of my enemy, ...I

Resistance — Sun, 26 May 2013 02:20:35 +0000

In reply to I can't even keep up with

The enemy of my enemy, ...I see the Tea Party as a tool, as an ally . Not just for the right, but for the left also. The Tea party (R) agrees with the Unions (D) , Free trade hurts the American economy and the American workers, together we can protect America and bring back good paying jobs ...... I'm not saying to the guy in the fox hole next to me, get away from me, I disagree with your politics. ... We dont have to demonize them on every issue, We dont have to kiss them. We can appreciate their assistance. The enemy of my enemy, is my friend

We ARE left of center in

stillidealistic — Sun, 26 May 2013 01:39:18 +0000

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We ARE left of center in today's reality. Yes, the center has shifted right, but that's because 9/11 derailed us, and then the wars, and then the great recession. And somehow, when the last rites were being read to the Repubs in 2008, they opted for the bizarre tactic of "just say no" and because there are so many Americans that HATE this President with an unprecedented hatred, they've gotten away with it, and the crazies have taken over. With, I might add, the help of the uber-wealthy who have somehow perpetrated the biggest case of Stockholm Syndrome in history - getting poor/middle class white people to carry their water.

What an amazing country America has become. The land of minority rule. The home of the poor protecting the uber-wealthy.

I can't even keep up with

stillidealistic — Sun, 26 May 2013 01:20:00 +0000

In reply to We just need to get the TEA

I can't even keep up with your logic. One minute you act like the tea party is the 2nd coming, the next they are liars. Hell yes, they are liars. And they're obstructionists and they live under the mis-guided perception that people should be on their own, and the government is practically unnecessary, and our enemy. (ie. make it small enough to drag into the bathtub and drown it!)

I, on the other hand, think government has a very important roll. There are so many areas where we need to pool our resources for the good of the whole - roads, infrastructure, education, research and development, health care, police and fire services, national defense, social safety net, foreign aid, disasters, food safety...the list goes on and on.

Are there abuses? Yes there are. And we need to focus more attention on that, making sure we are getting what we pay for. Fraud and waste are, unfortunately, rampant. And perhaps the penalties for that need to be more severe. For me, defrauding the government is akin to treason. As is the practice of buying/selling our government officials.