dagblog - Comments for "Serenity Someday...Maybe" http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/serenity-somedaymaybe-16708 Comments for "Serenity Someday...Maybe" en Ric Flair preferred to play http://dagblog.com/comment/178130#comment-178130 <a id="comment-178130"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/178122#comment-178122">One hears actors talk about</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Ric Flair preferred to play heel, too.</p> </div></div></div> Tue, 21 May 2013 02:27:43 +0000 Michael Maiello comment 178130 at http://dagblog.com It definitely undermines the http://dagblog.com/comment/178123#comment-178123 <a id="comment-178123"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/178058#comment-178058">Glenngary is most probably</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even">It definitely undermines the hope that springs eternal. </div></div></div> Mon, 20 May 2013 22:55:45 +0000 Elusive Trope comment 178123 at http://dagblog.com One hears actors talk about http://dagblog.com/comment/178122#comment-178122 <a id="comment-178122"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/178107#comment-178107">Glengarry is just savage and</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even">One hears actors talk about how much more fun or enjoyable it is to play the villain than the goodie. Probably the best current pop example of admiration of Vaderesque personality is the show Dexter. Before that it would be the Sapranos. And let's not forget Braking Bad. The list goes on and on. Personally, rather than having the Force choke, I would like to go all Jet Li on some folks. </div></div></div> Mon, 20 May 2013 22:53:18 +0000 Elusive Trope comment 178122 at http://dagblog.com Glengarry is just savage and http://dagblog.com/comment/178107#comment-178107 <a id="comment-178107"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/serenity-somedaymaybe-16708">Serenity Someday...Maybe</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Glengarry is just savage and what I find most worrisome about it is how many people I know, including sensitive theater people, fixate on its cruelties to the point of admiration.  Most quoted is the sales contest speech (which was written for the movie and is not in the play) which is brilliant, but, you know, you always sense that the person quoting it wants to be the guy that Mitch and Murray sends.  The nonchalant cruelty (and the power to get away with it) is something all of us find oddly appealing. Hence the popularity of the Corleone, Darth Vader and the like.  Come on, who of us hasn't want to Force choke David Brooks?  Or is that just a me thing?</p> </div></div></div> Mon, 20 May 2013 16:00:59 +0000 Michael Maiello comment 178107 at http://dagblog.com Science fiction for me is http://dagblog.com/comment/178105#comment-178105 <a id="comment-178105"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/178055#comment-178055">Serenity later - 26th century</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Science fiction for me is like live improv - 9 out of 10 times it is mildly entertaining at best, and when it's bad it is excruciatingly bad.  1 out of 10 times, however, someone is able to take the genre and make something with depth, using the not really real world (universe) to reflect back some truths about life back in the real world.</p> <p>I have never seen the tv show, but came across the movie in a DVD sale rack.  Having read about the cult following the show had generated, I decided to give the movie a chance.  I would put it into the 1 out of 10 times category.  It wasn't perfect, but I thought it dealt well with the balancing act dilemma between the individual and the common good.</p> <p>At times <em>Serenity</em><em> </em>deals with this dilemma in the standard individual rogue good (in spite of the bad ruffian exterior) authoritarian government-corporation bad framework.  But the movie is able at the same time to explore a similar dynamic between the individual and the smaller but just as significant (if it not more significant) community of family-friends.  There isn't a simple good guy-bad guy duality when it comes between following the impulses of the individual versus the demands of the community of friends and family.</p> <p>The films treatment of this dynamic gives it a humane touch missing in those 9 out of 10.  I use humane in the way <a href="http://nymag.com/nymetro/movies/reviews/10099/">Peter Rainer used  it to describe Alexander Payne's film Sideways</a>, which I had discussed in a recent blog:</p> <blockquote> <p><b>Sideways</b> is the sweetest, funniest, most <i>humane</i> movie I’ve seen all year. I emphasize its humanity because most of what passes for comedy these days, whether it be low-concept or smarty-pants, is little more than gagfests peopled by joke-bots. In the movies and on television, it’s become hip to make comedies about nothing, à la <i>Seinfeld</i> and <i>Curb Your Enthusiasm</i>, or, in the case of <i>I Love Huckabees</i>, everything—which might as well be nothing. Frosty facetiousness is the signature style of the new “intellectual” American jape, and until now, I would have lumped Alexander Payne...into [that] mix....But somewhere between his last film and his new one, Payne traded in his sarcasm for a soul. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that<i> Sideways</i> is set in the golden pastoral haze of California’s Central Coast wine country. Or maybe it was just all that wine.</p> </blockquote> <p>[I had to use the quote because in part it mentions <em>Seinfeld</em>]</p> <p>Moreover, <em>Serenity </em>adds to the individual-community dilemma with the question as to how do we really know we are doing the right thing, that we are truly on the side of the good.</p> <p>The assassin for the Alliance is a bad guy not because he was inherently evil, having chosen some form of the "dark side." He was a bad guy because, in spite of his desire to do the right thing, he put his faith in the wrong camp.  In this way, we can put him in with Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev.  </p> <p>But the assassin's personal crisis at the end of the film probably makes him more like George Aaronow, which brings us back to soul of the film.</p> <p> </p> </div></div></div> Mon, 20 May 2013 14:34:33 +0000 Elusive Trope comment 178105 at http://dagblog.com Glenngary is most probably http://dagblog.com/comment/178058#comment-178058 <a id="comment-178058"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/serenity-somedaymaybe-16708">Serenity Someday...Maybe</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Glenngary is most probably the scariest movie I ever viewed.</p> <p>I probably watched it a total of three times and I don't know if I have the guts to view it again!</p> </div></div></div> Sat, 18 May 2013 20:35:55 +0000 Richard Day comment 178058 at http://dagblog.com Serenity later - 26th century http://dagblog.com/comment/178055#comment-178055 <a id="comment-178055"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/serenity-somedaymaybe-16708">Serenity Someday...Maybe</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_(film)">Serenity</a> later - 26th century edition</p> <p><img class="rg_i" data-sz="f" name="c7v_A0cyOFfy3M:" src="https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0ibsrE_Kprxa1zmwqKmp7YyWRvB9X460xkT_iosBlBZ28BYDPng" style="width: 256px; height: 192px; margin-left: -4px;" id="c7v_A0cyOFfy3M:" /></p> <p>Zoom out </p> <p> <img class="rg_i" data-sz="f" name="IkYL6qgxzzdPqM:" src="https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1hL9mXvYhIcUBDSK2DN-xnJofNsHxR181WKz9LPqx02baK2__" style="width: 270px; height: 151px; margin-left: -23px;" id="IkYL6qgxzzdPqM:" /></p> <p>The scene is from a movie made to wind up the short-lived tv series <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_(TV_series)">Firefly</a>. Would not be surprised if you haven't seen either. It is not the sort of film and tv you usually reference.  But they have a very definite political and socioeconomic theme. The bad guys are the Alliance, basically what Joss Whedon envisions <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimerica">Chimerica</a> might become.</p> <blockquote> <p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_(Firefly)">Alliance</a> is a fictional corporate super-government ..., a powerful authoritarian government and law-enforcement organization that controls the majority of territory within the known universe.</p> </blockquote> <p>They terra form planets and dope the air and water with mood-altering chemicals to assure docile and compliant populations.</p> <p> </p> </div></div></div> Sat, 18 May 2013 20:08:07 +0000 EmmaZahn comment 178055 at http://dagblog.com