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This is "whining"? "I

A Guy Called LULU — Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:45:28 +0000

This is "whining"?

"I think that before we do anything, before we rush to any judgment about how to fix what happened, we have to have all the facts," said Steven Lakin, executive managing director of the General Building Contractors Association, a trade group representing Philadelphia-area contractors. "Everybody wants to regulate demolition contractors, but I'm not so sure that's the answer."

That article has been edited and the quote has been deleted but is available here.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57588372/sean-benschop-equipment-ope...

From the AP, more on the

artappraiser — Sun, 09 Jun 2013 01:52:43 +0000

In reply to You shouldn't be using

From the AP, more on the crane operator who has turned himself in, as well as on the contractor, and the pledges now being made by the mayor to regulate and enforce more, along with some whining from the General Building Contractors Association, a trade group representing Philadelphia-area contractors

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/Operator-in-Philly-collapse-deaths-surrenders-4586896.php#ixzz2VgCIAQcz

Thanks for the update. It

artappraiser — Sat, 08 Jun 2013 01:42:15 +0000

In reply to You shouldn't be using

Thanks for the update. It does sound like both Sopranos and sadly, too often, also a Phillie inner city story. (Not that we have crackerjack fair and honest construction regulation, inspection and enforcement in the NYC outer boroughs, either....)

You shouldn't be using

Donal — Fri, 07 Jun 2013 22:55:18 +0000

In reply to Starting to sound like a

You shouldn't be using machines when you're high. The latest:

The crane operator on site during the Philadelphia building collapse will be charged with six counts of involuntary manslaughter, according to ABC News.

Police sources say they found marijuana in his system after the collapse and he also admitted to taking codeine and other prescription drugs. Authorities added that he was outfitted with a soft cast up to his elbow.

Starting to sound like a

artappraiser — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:02:12 +0000

In reply to Permits were in order, but

Starting to sound like a Sopranos script. Including that it sounds like they might have been tearing down one porn store to put in a fancier porn store. (And the only stereotype I can think of being worse of an evil character than a crack dealer at a playground is a pedophile stalking a playground.)

Should the demo man end up being prosecuted he can always get some of those 9/11 Truther experts to explain how buildings don't fall down just because someone jiggled them?

Speaking of that kind of theorizing, I noted in several articles that an expert is quoted saying you shouldn't be using machines to do demo in such a situation (unreinforced brick with neighboring buildings still existant,) that he sees evidence of a "claw" being on site in some photos and that if they were using it, they shouldn't have. And in the same articles a neighborhood denizen is referenced as having become frightened because he saw some workmen taking it apart by hand, brick by brick.

Permits were in order, but

Donal — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:53:00 +0000

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Permits were in order, but the demo contractor sounds like a piece of work:

Officials said the demolition contractor was Griffin Campbell Construction in Philadelphia. Messages left for Campbell were not returned.

Records show that Campbell was charged in 2005 with dealing crack cocaine near a playground. The charges were dismissed after prosecutors misplaced evidence.

He pleaded guilty in an insurance fraud case in 2009, and was acquitted of aggravated assault and related offenses in 2007.

Campbell has also filed for bankruptcy protection twice since 2010. The first bankruptcy was dismissed because he didn’t follow through on a repayment plan approved by the court. A second bankruptcy petition was filed in March.

Okay.

Orion — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 07:49:43 +0000

In reply to This is not a good example

Okay.

This is not a good example

artappraiser — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 06:43:52 +0000

In reply to Woman Pulled From Philadelphia Building Collapse as Death Toll Rises to 6

This is not a good example for your comment, as the building that collapsed was in the process of being demolished in order to put up a new building and everything was in order with the licenses and permits to do that. (So working on building a new city, in this instance did not have a good result at all.)

The deaths and injuries happened because the uncontrolled collapse of the partially demolished building fell on the thrift store next door and it is not known yet why it happened (Jon Hurdle for the NYTimes):

The cause of the collapse, which occurred on Market Street near 22nd Street, was not immediately known. Several government agencies, including the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration, will investigate.

The building’s permits were in order, and no violations were listed against it, said Carlton Williams, Philadelphia’s commissioner of licenses and inspections. He identified the owner as STB Investments of New York, and said city authorities had contacted the company.

A demolition permit for the building was issued in February, Mr. Williams said.