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I assumed that the US was

rmrd0000 — Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:59:13 +0000

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I assumed that the US was hacking Chines sites, just as the Chinese hack the US.

My bank sent me a new card several years ago. They calmly wrote that their servers had been hacked. I figured that nothing was really secure on the net.

Snowden claimed that the US

artappraiser — Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:45:28 +0000

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Snowden claimed that the US had hacked hundreds of targets in Hong Kong – including public officials, a university, businesses and students in the city – and on the mainland. These were part of more than 61,000 NSA hacking operations globally, he alleged.

"We hack network backbones – like huge internet routers, basically – that give us access to the communications of hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one," he said.

The Post said it had seen a document that, Snowden alleged, supported his claims. The Post said it had not verified the document, and did not immediately publish it.

Snowden said he was releasing the information to demonstrate "the hypocrisy of the US government when it claims that it does not target civilian infrastructure, unlike its adversaries".

from

Edward Snowden vows not to 'hide from justice' amid new hacking claims
By Ewen MacAskill in Hong Kong and Tania Branigan in Beijing, guardian.co.uk, 12 June 2013

Orion, did you mistakenly

artappraiser — Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:11:45 +0000

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Orion, did you mistakenly post on the wrong thread? This is about "war" on cybersystems, not about using things like drones on human bodies. Though bringing down a country's system could have real effects on bodies just like economic sanctions do now.

I agree, it's just another

artappraiser — Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:08:17 +0000

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I agree, it's just another contingency war plan. I guess the drama is that Obama wants them to draw up specfic targets and work on it more?

Although I only scanned the

EmmaZahn — Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:09:55 +0000

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Although I only scanned the document, it appears to be in keeping with a very long tradition of having contingency war plans on hand. What's all the drama about?

If Bush did this or used

Orion — Sun, 09 Jun 2013 05:48:46 +0000

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If Bush did this or used drones to kill people, people would be calling for him to executed for crimes against humanity or demonstrating in front of the White House with images of him as Hitler or Mussolini.

meanwhile, at a press

artappraiser — Sat, 08 Jun 2013 18:38:58 +0000

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meanwhile, at a press conference in Rancho Mirage, CA, there is talk of "in depth discussions,"a need for rules and common approaches," and "good faith cooperation":

Chinese president: My country also hit by hackers
By Mark Knoller, CBS News, June 8, 2013

[....] In a countermove to Mr. Obama's charges that Chinese hackers are targeting the U.S., Xi said Friday that his country is also a victim of cyber-attacks.

But through "good faith cooperation," said Xi, the U.S. and China can make cybersecurity "a positive area of cooperation."

It looked like an effort by Xi to turn the tables on Mr. Obama as the two leaders reported on their first round of summit talks that lasted the better part of three hours and continued into the night over dinner.

Xi said U.S. press coverage of the hacking issue was giving people "the sense or feeling" that the cyberthreat emanates from China and that it's the biggest issue in the Sino-American relationship.

In response to a reporter's question, Mr. Obama said the hacking issue came up in their talks but they had not yet had "in depth discussions" on it.

"We were speaking at the 40,000-foot level," said Mr. Obama, but he expected the issue to come up again.

He spoke of "the need for rules and common approaches" to cybersecurity. Xi later committed to a similar objective.

"We need to pay close attention to this issue," said Xi, "and study ways to effectively resolve it."

But Mr. Obama said "in some ways these are uncharted waters," when it comes to rules of the road for cyber security. Yet he believes the U.S. and China can arrive at "a firm understanding" of how to work together on the issue.

Mr. Obama made it clear he did not think his position on cybersecurity was in any way undermined by the disclosure of U.S. government surveillance phone call data and website visits.

He said the surveillance matter is complicated, but it's "different from the issue of hacking." [....]