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There should be a lot more

rmrd0000 — Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:27:42 +0000

In reply to Not too many GS pay scale fed

There should be a lot more caution evaluating this guy than has been done. Holder actually reported abuses when he came on scene.Where are the documented cases of NSA abuse? If Snowden says we were spying on every citizen, lets see proof. Right now, I want to get Facebook out of my face.

Not too many GS pay scale fed

NCD — Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:10:17 +0000

In reply to We outsourced military

Not too many GS pay scale fed employees have the money, or the idea, to leak loads of classified documents and then fly off to an exclusive hotel in Hong Kong.

Now that Snowden is apparently offering up data on NSA snooping into Chinese computers I wonder if the Ronulans will continue their embrace of their latest 'keep the government from watching us in our hot tubs hero'.

If the mainland Chinese government starts pumping him for all he knows, he will very soon discover the real meaning of freedom.

It seems that Eric Holder

rmrd0000 — Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:32:52 +0000

In reply to Where to Start to Walk Back the NSA Actions?

It seems that Eric Holder notified the court of eavesdropping violations early in the Obama administration. It does not seem that they were bent on breaking the law.

We outsourced military

rmrd0000 — Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:07:27 +0000

In reply to The NSA is like a kid with

We outsourced military operations to private companies and had abuses occur. We have now outsourced secrets with the person who leaked the data now in China. One of the best ways to downsize the NSA is to stop hiring private companies. If employees of the private companies are making more than government workers doing the same job, how is that a money saving enterprise in the time of fiscal responsibility?

Ya'? I know who Pyle

oldenGoldenDecoy — Fri, 14 Jun 2013 06:38:30 +0000

In reply to From Democracy

Ya'?

I know who Pyle is. His work with the Church Committee back in the mid 70s helped lead to the founding of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. His points are well taken.

Mysteries are still bubbling though...

~OGD~

Good comment . . . With

oldenGoldenDecoy — Fri, 14 Jun 2013 06:37:24 +0000

In reply to The NSA is like a kid with

Good comment . . .

With that data center the constituents of Orin Hatch have really made out... Eh?

Hell... The Mormons have more data in their http://www.ancestry.com/ system than the NSA.

~OGD~

The NSA is like a kid with

NCD — Fri, 14 Jun 2013 01:04:56 +0000

In reply to Where to Start to Walk Back the NSA Actions?

The NSA is like a kid with the latest gaming computer. The data site in Utah. You can't take their toys away from them, but you might be able to cut the staff and budget. Snooping - inevitable, more wars - no way.

Meanwhile use postcards for privacy. Nobody at NSA is looking for the next terrorist plan arriving on a picture postcard.

You can non-digitally send your most intimate private communications with a feeling of total security from government snooping. Anyway the USPS needs the money.

From Democracy

Donal — Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:56:20 +0000

In reply to Yes... I am quite aware

From Democracy Now:

CHRISTOPHER PYLE: Well, when I was blowing the whistle and they couldn’t get any dirt on me—I had led a very uninteresting life—they made up dirt and tried to peddle it on Capitol Hill in order to discredit me and prevent me from testifying before Senator Ervin’s Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights. Every bureaucracy hates dissenters. They must expel dissenters and discredit dissenters, because dissenters force them to reconsider what it is they’re doing, and no bureaucracy wants anybody to interrupt what they’re doing. And so, this is the natural, organic response of any bureaucracy or any establishment.
Now, I think it is inappropriate and quite irrelevant to analyze Ed Snowden’s motivations. It doesn’t matter much—except in court, to prove that he either did or did not intend to aid a foreign power or hurt the United States. But separate from that motivation, whether he’s a narcissist, like many people on television are, no, I don’t think that’s relevant at all. He’s neither a traitor nor a hero, and he says this himself. He’s just an ordinary American. He’s trying to start a debate in this nation over something that is critically important. He should be respected for that, taken at face value, and then we should move on to the big issues, including the corruption of our system that is done by massive secrecy and by massive amounts of money in politics.

Yes... I am quite aware

oldenGoldenDecoy — Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:50:35 +0000

In reply to I think a lot of people

Yes...

I am quite aware of what a lot people assume. I am also aware that there are most likely a lot more people who have no clue.

And then there are those who are out there still trying to figure out whether this Snowden was being simply altruistic in his outting of the NSA, or working for Assange, or or in cahoots with Glen Greenwald after already writing a book with help from the Guardian before any of this broke, and they are just stirring the pot for a big pre-order number. Or maybe he's a shallow plant mole for the CIA/NSA/FBI?

Mysteries are still bubbling...

~OGD~

The story becomes more

rmrd0000 — Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:01:26 +0000

In reply to Thanks for the link.

The story becomes more interesting because Greenwald told Chris Hayes that communication with Snowden was via an incryption device that Snowden provided.One wonders if this was an NSA device, something Snowden rigged up, or a third party's device.