dagblog - Comments for "In which V. Putin alters my Snowden prediction"

You don't get out much, do

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:09:51 +0000

In reply to It's not 'hater bullshit'.

You don't get out much, do you, dude?

Yeah, Arab Spring - was in the papers, not sure how you missed it, but were probably spending your time interrogating crickets in the basement, keeping us safe and all.

Some commentators have credited Manning’s leak with providing a spark for the revolutions that toppled the governments of Egypt and Tunisia and triggered uprisings in Bahrain, Libya, and Yemen, collectively known as the Arab Spring. Files leaked by Manning disclosed a secret relationship between the U.S. government and President Ali Abdullah Saleh of Yemen, to allow drone strikes inside the country where the United States was not in a declared war. Another cable detailed the private investments and holdings of the Tunisian ruling family.

Still other files revealed secret talks between Arab governments and Israel; the lavish spending habits of Muammar Gaddafi’s family; and suspicions from the U.S. ambassador to Georgia that Russia’s intelligence services directed a secret war in the country for much of the last decade.

Plus Qaddafi's "voluptuous blonde nurse", though not that voluptuous by Berlusconi standards.

I have to admire your

Peter — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 21:41:16 +0000

In reply to It's not 'hater bullshit'.

I have to admire your diligence NCD, you have hammered on nearly every negative meme available on this issue. Few if any of these attacks hold up under scrutiny but that is not important, the good old USA must regain the high ground.

I enjoy the fact that few people are buying the BS you and others are spouting.especially the young and including those nefarious high school dropouts. Did you know that some of them are actually quite smart and decided that our corporate school systems could be bypassed as a waste of time.

While you view Snowden as a dropout and Greenwald/Assange as greedy users much of the world views them in a more positive light and are laughing at the hypocrisy and bumbling of the US.

The sticking point may be

rmrd0000 — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 21:35:10 +0000

In reply to "Carefully and tactfully?"

The sticking point may be releasing classified data with specific IP addresses that would seen and read by a foreign government. Snowden has information that he can decide when to unleash. This does not seem to be an upgrade from PRISM. The data release or collection is not in the hands of the public with either system.

"Carefully and tactfully?"

acanuck — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 21:09:40 +0000

In reply to It's not 'hater bullshit'.

"Carefully and tactfully?" Feel free to raise your voice in protest: just be quiet about it. Wow.

It's not 'hater bullshit'.

NCD — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:59:00 +0000

In reply to Those "extraneous docs" led

It's not 'hater bullshit'. Assange/Greenwald = users, that is the stark reality, which you can't face or admit.

Assange used Manning and threw him away.

Snowden is Assange/Greenwald's current road kill.

The leakers should never have dealt with Assange or Greenwald.

Assange and Greenwald do no give a crap about the lives or personal goals of Manning or Snowden as to exposing crimes in the Iraq War (chopper video did that by itself), or carefully and tactfully informing the nation on NSA surveillance and causing a serious national dialog to control it, while leaving Snowden with a chance for a normal life when it's over.

The leakers were exploited for all they were worth, and drained of all they could provide in secrets. Tossed aside to military justice, or with Snowden, naifs from Wikileaks help to send him into oblivion in a foreign land.

Now Manning is the architect of the Arab Spring? Not just that but he is 'proud' that through stuff he never read, supposedly started the Arab Spring?

Maybe if Manning gets loose and hooks up with Assange and Greenwald they can stop the Syrian war?

Have a nice day dude.

Putin holds all the cards,

acanuck — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:20:30 +0000

In reply to Not smoking....my opinion is

Putin holds all the cards, and Russians back him. Not gonna happen.

Not smoking....my opinion is

erica20 — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:10:35 +0000

In reply to What are you smoking, erica?

Not smoking....my opinion is that Putin would hand over Snowden in a heartbeat if the US "said the magic word." But like a kid bullying another kid, Putin will make the US guess about what the "magic word" might be. The US has tried bellicosity to no avail, and now is gingerly saying "please." Expect the usual escalation to "pretty please with sugar on top."

My guess is that the magic word will turn out to be something bizarre like "those girls from Pussy Riot just don't understand what a great leader you are." And it's just a question of whether the US is willing to say it in return for delivery of what even Putin says is a very small fish.

There's "some talk" about

acanuck — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:41:05 +0000

In reply to There was some talk of a

There's "some talk" about lots of stuff, NCD.

Those "extraneous docs" led

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:03:55 +0000

In reply to As I said elsewhere, Assange

Those "extraneous docs" led to the Arab Spring, something Manning no doubt is proud of. Here's Assange calling Manning a "political prisoner" in 2010. Even now Assange is speaking out for Manning at his trial from his room in the Ecuadorian embassy. Why exactly you think Assange "could care less" about the guy's life or that he "threw away" you don't say. Mostly because it's just hater bullshit - you have a hard-on for these guys in your own security-scold way, and anything's worth making up to fit that need.

There was some talk of a

NCD — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:40:44 +0000

In reply to What are you smoking, erica?

There was some talk of a trade for a convicted Russian arms dealer in a US prison. Not likely but out there.