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I do understand why people

ocean-kat — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 02:42:09 +0000

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I do understand why people support this bill. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I was ready to support it as well as the best compromise we could get until the Corker amendment. That was just too much for me to swallow.

I could post about how unnecessary it is. But I think you know all about that. Both Schumer and McCain have called it a waste of money. Just a bribe to try and get the tea party to support the bill.

Double the Border Patrol agents? For those who live here its bad enough with the number we have now.

Thanks. That was

trkingmomoe — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 02:07:17 +0000

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Thanks. That was interesting. From what I have read the bill won't pass the House. The GOP is split on this in the House and the far right wing nuts don't want any reform to pass.

Living in Virginia, I don't

Verified Atheist — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 00:36:39 +0000

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Living in Virginia, I don't experience any of these things, but if I did they would surely piss me off, and I don't get pissed off easily.

?Ciudad Juarez?

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:53:53 +0000

In reply to It really is a tough call.

¿Ciudad Juarez?

It really is a tough call.

ocean-kat — Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:53:10 +0000

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It really is a tough call. Most in this area think the path to citizenship way too onerous. Some see the plight of the 12 million people without legal status to be so bad that any compromise, anything at all that will give them legal status is acceptable. I see their point and if it was just about that I might agree. But its also about the militarization of the border and how it, selfishly I admit, affects me.

I've had BP walk up to my house several times, on private land, for no reason what so ever and point their guns at my dog. Its especially scary when I've been told of pets being killed in similar situations. Fortunately while my dog will bark, she's not at all aggressive. But I do still worry every time the BP points their rifles at my dog.

We have biologists that work on this land as its an ecological protected area and a restoration project. Once while hiking 2 BP agents jumped out with rifles pointed at them screaming, "down on the ground, down on the ground." Scared the crap out of them. These are lily white 60 year old scientists. I'm wondering how the BP could have been confused. If this is how they treat 60 year old lily white scientists I also wonder how they treat any immigrants they find.

I've had BP tearing up fields with 4 wheel drive trucks to question tourists camping here, in tents. They had to rush across the fields so the "possible illegals" wouldn't run away. Immigrants don't camp in tents. The owners are attempting to restore this privately owned land and BP is tearing it up for no reason at all.

I could go on about the times I've been hassled. I could also tell many stories about No More Deaths workers being hassled just for putting water, food, and blankets out so immigrants don't die. When NMD held a fund raiser at a local restaurant the BP staked out the parking lot with the police lights flashing for over two hours. When a local Mexican American family came they stopped them and questioned them for 30 minutes. These are legal American citizens of Mexican ancestry that live here. The BP is like cops on steroids.

When I got here I attempted to be friendly. I just want an easy going stress free life on this beautiful piece of wilderness. After a year of trouble instigated by the BP I decided to make it so uncomfortable for them with confrontations and angry shouting matches that they would be reluctant to enter. I made it so entering this piece of land was too much trouble and little to gain, so now they generally avoid coming in. Most others with private land here do the same.

I really shouldn't say too much as I don't think the owners would want any negative publicity. Though I mentioned it before, I'm not going to mention the name of this place in this thread. I'd appreciate if anyone remembers they don't post the name so it doesn't come up in some search.

It seems pretty certain that

Verified Atheist — Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:08:01 +0000

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It seems pretty certain that the House will indeed be voting it down. Whether that's a good thing or not, I rightly don't know, other than to say I see the point that if it were so bad that the House did vote for it, then…

Well you appear to be in the

Richard Day — Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:58:21 +0000

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Well you appear to be in the middle of this mess.

So I am not going to question your perspective at all.

You have to live with it.

I would like to read more of your thoughts on this matter, however.

Yes another piece of

ocean-kat — Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:51:18 +0000

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Yes another piece of legislation made into crap in the hopes that it will be bad enough to pass the house. I'm hoping that it isn't crappy enough to sooth the tea party idiots and they vote it down. Saved from the stupid by the even more stupid.

I live three miles from the Mexican border. I work closely with border organizations like the Samaritans and No More Deaths. The consensus among those working with the illegal immigrants and trying to save lives on the border is this bill is perhaps better than nothing, but at best just barely.

As a person living in a section of the country that's become a police state I don't want twice as many border guards hassling me. I've already gotten in to several shouting matches with arrogant border cops on private land. They can go anywhere they want anytime they want for any or no reason 25 miles from the border, they tell me.

Even the people living here who hate illegal immigration hate the border patrol more.

Better to lose this fight and make it a campaign issue than to pass this bill.