dagblog - Comments for "Facebook Jailing & Voting Rights Act................. (I'm afraid of Americans)"

Here is the story of the

rmrd0000 — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 20:21:49 +0000

Here is the story of the courts in the Bronx. In one cited case it took 5 years for a murder case to go to trail. There is also the case of a man accused of murder who spent three years in jail awaiting trial.

The ruling in the Manning case was that the delays were necessary given the amount of data involved.

3 years waiting for trial

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 16:10:55 +0000

In reply to Shorter version Scenario

3 years waiting for trial isn't torture. It's intimidation & harassment. Charge of aiding the enemy carries possible lifetime sentence - it's intimidation, not torture. Manning pleaded guilty to 10 of 22 charges, with max 20 years in jail. The judge already reduced his jail time by 112 days due to jail mistreatment / "torture" - pretty insignificant reduction for outrageous behavior. Intimidation via torture gets thumbs up. You can Wiki all this.

Basta.

Shorter version Scenario

rmrd0000 — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:13:21 +0000

In reply to Made my day

Shorter version

Scenario 1

Judge : Why are you here today?

Manning: I committed a crime and the jailer intimidated me

Judge: How did they intimidate you?

Manning: They locked me up for committing a crime

Judge: Case dismissed

Scenario 2

Judge : Why are you here today?

Manning: I committed a crime and the jailers tortured me

Judge: How did they torture you?

Manning: Sleep deprivation, etc

Judge: Any evidence of torture?

Manning: I have an Army Colonel and a UN torture expert as witnesses

Judge: Let me set a trail date

Made my day

rmrd0000 — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:00:32 +0000

In reply to No idea what you're talking

Made my day

No idea what you're talking

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 13:57:26 +0000

In reply to You said intimidation. I said

No idea what you're talking about. Finished playing Scrabble with you.

You said intimidation. I said

rmrd0000 — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 13:11:43 +0000

In reply to Manning's been willing to

You said intimidation. I said torture. I'm glad you made the correction.

Maybe it's the new

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 04:36:24 +0000

In reply to The power of prosecutors is

Maybe it's the new combination of having overzealous law writer, cop, prosecutor, judge, prison guard all closely working together with few limits and most of those limits contestable with public oversight. Even the cramming through new laws at night, attached to unrelated legislation, quick shameful hack at people's rights. Feels like a shift into full-court press.

Manning's been willing to

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 04:29:13 +0000

In reply to An allegation of torture

Manning's been willing to plead guilty to what he did, just not what he didn't do. In fact he already pled guilty to many counts.

At this point we're past "allegation of torture" - it's well documented in court evidence what the government did to him - even the government doesn't deny it - only a debate of how torturous the torture was.

Okay, go ahead, disagree with me anyway.

He's probably seen this news

ocean-kat — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 01:43:05 +0000

In reply to NYT, from Venezuelan

He's probably seen this news report.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqggW08BWO0

NYT, from Venezuelan

NCD — Thu, 11 Jul 2013 00:54:18 +0000

In reply to Facebook Jailing & Voting Rights Act................. (I'm afraid of Americans)

NYT, from Venezuelan government official:

"Comrades: cancel your Facebook accounts, you've been working for free as CIA informants. Review the Snowden case!" wrote Prisons Minister Iris Varela on her Twitter account.

Now I know why my gut told me to never Facebook.