dagblog - Comments for "Stand Your Ground stats"

I agree; what is relevant

Aaron Carine — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:11:31 +0000

In reply to I'm not sure if my suspension

I agree; what is relevant here is not how many people get convicted for killing an African-American, but the comparative conviction rates for black on white killings and white on black killings. If we're talking about racial bias in the criminal justice system, it isn't reassuring to know that blacks get convicted for killing other blacks. And we all know the courts tend to punish African-Americans more harshly than whites.

Peracles is brave.

Aaron Carine — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:07:38 +0000

In reply to Blah blah blah. Go find those

Peracles is brave.

Black men are tired of being

rmrd0000 — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:59:35 +0000

In reply to You or Maiello said if he had

Black men are tired of being required to answer why they belong in a certain place. Zimmerman was not law enforcement, so Martin had no requirement to answer any question posed by Zimmerman. Having a stranger approach you and ask you to "prove" you belong can be expected to produce some resentment or fear.

Zimmerman could have asked if Trayvon needed help finding an address. That might have taken much of the resentment or fear away.posing such a question would take some insight that Zimmerman lacked. A report this morning indicated that the juror who has an amazingly swift book deal told Anderson Cooper that Zimmerman went over and above what was required. The instructions by the judge led to the non- guilty verdict.

Zimmerman should have waited for law enforcement. Martin was within his rights to be angered or feel fearful.

You or Maiello said if he had

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 04:39:05 +0000

In reply to the reaction I see is that

You or Maiello said if he had to answer questions from someone walking through a neighborhood, he'd let them taste his fist.

Yes, my statement was a bit of hyperbole as I've asked a number of times what people found allowable to look after your house & family after a number of break-ins, including the woman hiding in the bathroom with her son. No one answered that question.

The overwhelming reaction has been to condemn Ziimmerman - do you think it was okay that he called 911? If he didn't have a gun would it be okay to ask Martin if he lives around there? If he wasn't packing, would it be okay for him to walk back to the grassy area to see where Martin went? As previous problems in the neighborhood seem to have been caused mostly by white & black guys around Trayvon's age and a bit older, is there an acceptable way to use that information with or without "profiling"? Did Zimmerman ever elaborate on what made Martin suspicious? Is it okay for a gated community to limit who lives there, who comes through the gate?

Thank you Michael. I

Bruce Levine — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 02:19:20 +0000

In reply to Bruce, I trust you to decide

Thank you Michael. I appreciate that.

Trayvon's error was standing

NCD — Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:51:24 +0000

In reply to Stand Your Ground stats

Trayvon's error was standing his ground, no black snake bit his heel.

Pre-Civil war account, southern Virginia, from the book Bound for Canaan:

'When (the Northern traveler) asked (the Patrollers) if it was not against the law to shoot an unarmed man, the visitor was informed 'that the laws of the state were pointedly against it, as they were in any state, but the damned Negroes were so bad that nobody took notice of it-it was a common thing to shoot them...and not common to make an inquiry...a hole was dug, the Negro thrown in..."

As I was goin cross de field
A black snake bit my heel
Run nigger run, de Patrol catch you
run nigger run, tis almost day

The point is that "good"

rmrd0000 — Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:30:19 +0000

In reply to Blah blah blah. Go find those

The point is that "good" studies are lacking and the newspaper that published the 200 case study recommends not drawing conclusions from their own data.The newspaper admits they may not have included all the cases. The US Civil Rights Commission study may provide scientific data.

This was meant as a response

rmrd0000 — Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:19:39 +0000

In reply to Florida parents should train

This was meant as a response to Resistance.

Blah blah blah. Go find those

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:06:15 +0000

In reply to In any case, I've accepted

Blah blah blah. Go find those fucking articles, prove your case. You exaggerate that if the situation were reversed the black guy couldn't get a fair trial. I show a basic study proving it (surprisingly to me) fairly equal. You come along and bitch. Well quit being lazy, go find all these convincing studies. Until then, excuse me if I don't think the sky is falling in this particular case (maybe the Operation Ghetto Storm with a 68-year-old whose medalert went off getting gunned down by a cop - they're I'm outraged). Back to Mt. Olympus with you - us mere mortals have other shit to do.

In any case, I've accepted

ocean-kat — Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:48:35 +0000

In reply to Well, it was the first study

In any case, I've accepted that people here will disagree with me on most things.

I don't believe that for a second. You post a newspaper article that superficially seems to show no racial disparity in one law. While anyone with time to search could easily find 10 studies for every one like this that show clear evidence of racial disparity in the justice system. You're too educated not to know that. But you're just looking for an argument and this article suits your purpose.