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They keep spreading the same

Resistance — Thu, 18 Jul 2013 04:31:56 +0000

In reply to Oh bloody hell 1) Zimmerman

They keep spreading the same misleading talking points; such as Zimmerman was told to stay in his car; so therefore he was the first to threaten. BS They dont even have the complete facts, then they come here repeating half truths. I read comments today that said Trayvon had a fight earlier that day and it was reported he lost and was angry and bitter about it. Also it was reported that he was kicked out of his mothers house and told to go live with his dad. Also over 6 ft. Tall he played football and had studied martial arts. The last thing Zimmerman needed to run across, was an angry, bitter martial arts student who was pissed off, looking to take his anger out on someone. Good thing it wasn't someone out to walk their dog, it might have been them who got assaulted.

Black parents are now

rmrd0000 — Thu, 18 Jul 2013 01:08:42 +0000

In reply to Save Your Breath, Zimmerman Supporters - The Black Community Know You Better Than You Know Yourselves

Black parents are now reassuring their sons and daughters that things will be ok despite a Florida court finding their lives and testimony worthless.

The testimony of the Black

rmrd0000 — Thu, 18 Jul 2013 00:47:50 +0000

In reply to Unless Jeantel is lying, it

The testimony of the Black girl doesn't count. Juror B37 "knew" that Trayvon threw the first punch. Black parents in Florida can feel " confident" that the legal system hands out equal justice.

It is fascinating to see

rmrd0000 — Thu, 18 Jul 2013 00:43:22 +0000

In reply to April 1992; interesting to

It is fascinating to see someone who loves MLK Jr hold on to the belief that King would have supported the murder of Trayvon Martin. It is also fascinating to see Zimmerman supporters oblivious to the clear message the decision sends to the parents of Black males in the United States. It is open season on their children.

Unless Jeantel is lying, it

Aaron Carine — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 23:15:34 +0000

In reply to Oh bloody hell 1) Zimmerman

Unless Jeantel is lying, it was a "confrontation" even by the most narrow definition of the term.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/26/justice/zimmerman-trial

Anyway, if you are following someone you consider an "asshole" and then get out of the car and go up to him, that might be a confrontation even if you don't say anything.

In the call to the dispatcher, Zimmerman doesn't say he went to see where Martin was going. He does give any explanation of his conduct.

http://www.motherjones.com/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman

He outweighed Martin by a good deal.

Even juror B37 admits that

rmrd0000 — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 22:30:28 +0000

In reply to Zimmerman initiated the

Even juror B37 admits that Zimmerman confronted Martin. Yet she says that Martin played a "huge roll" in his death. She says she "knew" Martin threw the first punch, despite the absence of witnesses.

Charles Blow of the NYT that Black men can't run because they may be suspected of theft.Black men can't walk too slowly like Martin they may look suspicious. If they are confronted like Martin they can expect to wind up dead.

Oh bloody hell 1) Zimmerman

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 22:29:31 +0000

In reply to Was Zimmerman's nose broken?

Oh bloody hell

1) Zimmerman was already out of the car moving down the path when the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that" at which point Zimmerman said "ok". what he did then we're not sure. We don't know whether Zimmerman went to "confront" him or as he says, to see where Martin went.

2) i put up a picture of Zimmerman with broken nose below, his doctor testified it was broken. perhaps faked, who knows.

3) I put up a picture of Martin above - he was certainly fairly tall if you notice

Was Zimmerman's nose broken?

Aaron Carine — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:54:41 +0000

In reply to "If Zimmerman still only

Was Zimmerman's nose broken? I haven't read that anywhere.

We don't know who started the fight, and even if Martin threw the first punch, Zimmerman was the one who got out of the car to confront him, after the dispatcher advised him against it. I doubt Zimmerman was really in mortal danger, since Martin was unarmed and was the smaller of the two. He should have at least been nailed for manslaughter.

Zimmerman initiated the

rmrd0000 — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:30:37 +0000

In reply to "If Zimmerman still only

Zimmerman initiated the events.Trayvon had a right to defend himself. According to the picture,Zimmerman lost a fistfight. What urgent medical care did Zimmerman require after he lost the fight?

"If Zimmerman still only

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:15:11 +0000

In reply to If Zimmerman still only

"If Zimmerman still only thought Martin was "suspicious" then why the hell did he shoot him? He obviously wasn't a danger to Zimmerman, who knew, after all that he had a huge advantage at hand." - uh, duh, he was getting beat up. At that point Martin was no longer "suspicious" he was a danger. Ever been punched in the face? One witness talked about "MMA style" - while I don't see that Zimmerman's face looked oh that terrible, he did take some hits.

We know FACTS because there are recordings say of Zimmerman talking to the dispatcher, so we know for example that he got out of the car and was winded before she said "we don't need you to do that". So yes, part of the story is "FACTS".

"If you are a guest at someone's home, you most certainly have the right to come and go unmolested." That depends - if I throw up on the host and kick the dog, I may be tossed out on the lawn. If I'm a guest after 11 in a dorm that has a 10pm curfew, they might treat me as trespassing. Hotels often limit who can visit guests, and certainly guests can't walk through the kitchen. If Trayvon were to carry a gun in his hand, you might say he didn't have that right. So your absolutes are limited.

The gate on the community warned about suspicious looking people, and Zimmerman called in Martin as looking suspicious - those last 2 tidbits are FACT. And according to the rules of the neighborhood, that part was accepted procedure.

Testimony is not "FACT" but depending on how believable it is, we build it up to be a part of the equation. There's a picture of Zimmerman's broken nose - unless photoshopped extremely well, it's FACT.

What does get curious is where we have an analysis of the court case by Ta-Nehisi Coates where he notes the prosecution failed to prove Zimmerman guilty beyond reasonable doubt - and then he flabbergasts me by comparing Zimmerman to a drunk guy at a 7-11 who decided he didn't like rap music and shot a driver. That's miles away from having someone on you punching you and pulling out a gun in reaction. How come we reason so badly? How can we compare a horrid group lynching with dozens of whites calmly looking at the camera with a solo guy on Neighborhood Watch reporting what he thought suspicious and that leading to a 1-on-1 fight resulting in a shooting?