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I'm not sure where you got

Orion — Mon, 02 Sep 2013 11:30:46 +0000

I'm not sure where you got the idea that the Syrian rebels are gaming us in to war. It's the Obama administration that decided that it's wise to fight wars for jihadists. The idea that we are being gamed has more to do with other countries in the region who have benefited from the United States waging wars on its enemies.

"Assad is actively using

acanuck — Mon, 02 Sep 2013 04:51:07 +0000

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"Assad is actively using chemical weapons against human beings. That actually is banned, and we signed a treaty banning the use of those weapons."

Just to clarify what international law actually says, More than 180 countries, including the United States, are parties to the 1993 convention banning the manufacture, stockpiling, and use of chemical weapons.

Syria is one of seven UN members that are not.

Syria did sign and ratify the 1925 Geneva convention banning their use in war, but that does not prohibit use within a country's borders, i.e. in a civil war.

I'm totally in favor of toughening up international law to ban all chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, cluster bombs and napalm. But we have not done so, and claims that we have are false.

Sooo, just for one

artappraiser — Mon, 02 Sep 2013 04:25:02 +0000

In reply to You're Being Lied To On Syria

Sooo, just for one example.....

According to your hyperbole, the people in the following article are all Al Qaeda or Al Qaeda sympathizers, and they are all in on the lie about the chemical attack in Ghouta (or worse, are dupes that don't know their friends and associates were gassed by other friends) created to get the U.S. to go to war in Syria, and Peter Beaumont @ The Guardian is also in on the plot to lie us into war, even though his own country has voted not to intervene.

Syrian refugee: 'Obama lied to us'
Inside the Zaatari camp the mood is bleak among those who have fled the war and now feel the US has deserted them

By Peter Beaumont, Zaatari camp, Jordan, The Guardian, Sunday 1 September 2013

Abu Assam, a member of the Free Syrian Army at the Zaatari refugee camp, says he will now rejoin the fighters in Syria Photograph: Peter Beaumont for the Guardian

Across the camp, five miles inside Jordan, Syrian refugees gathered in small groups to listen to Barack Obama. Some watched on al-Jazeera TV, others tuned in to the radio, many followed on Twitter or online news sites. Expectations were high.

"We thought, when he began to speak, the strikes on Bashar al-Assad's regime were going to start immediately," said one refugee, Abu Assam. "Then he said 'but'." In Arabic "but" is "wa lakin", but in both languages the implication is the same. "It was when he said that word that everything came crashing down." He added: "Obama lied to us."

A member of the Free Syrian Army, who walks on crutches after an accident inside Zataari, Abu Assam said he immediately decided to cross the border back to Syria to rejoin the fighters on the other side, despite his injury. "I can fire a weapon on a pick-up truck," he said.

The Zaatari refugee camp is home to about 120,000 Syrians who have fled the war next door, the sound of which, on still nights, can be heard from across the border. The mood on Sunday was uniformly bleak. The news of the chemical attack in Damascus was devastating for those in the camp, said a UN official. Residents asked for no visits from journalists or dignitaries for three days. After that period of grief, amid all the tough talk by western leaders, refugees believed that something would be done to punish the Syrian regime [....]

Amazing, Abu Assam uses the same words you do: Obama lied to us.

And oh, that thing about refusing to talk to reporters for three days after the attacks to grieve, refusing the chance for possible publicity for the cause, that was just to make it all a more convincing lie? Wow, those Syrian rebels are some clever, clever, clever people...

Nihilist means believing in

Orion — Mon, 02 Sep 2013 00:26:35 +0000

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Nihilist means believing in nothing. I brought that up because you sound convinced that we know Assad did this when NBC has headlines like this. Secretary of State Frankenstein wouldn't feel the need to convince us this happened if there wasn't doubt it actually did. It's pretty amazing that, in the age of digital media, there'd be any doubt about something as big as the use of chemical weapons, doesn't it? Of course, I'm the one freaking out.

The administration wants war whether or not what the real scenario is. Just like ten years ago.

Anyways, guys, I did edit out my use of alternative news sources as well as the emotive use of soldiers stating that they don't support attacking Syria. I recognize that more professional uses of delivering my message could have been exercised. The overall message is staying here - this military strike is a bad idea.

You wrote this, because

tmccarthy0 — Mon, 02 Sep 2013 00:06:19 +0000

In reply to Well the claim that these

You wrote this, because presumably people from other countries have been asking you why our President wants to attack Syria. Why?

The perception in the world as a whole is that we bomb developing countries, and thus kill alot of people, without causation and in the role of global policeman.

Without causation? Without Causation? Seriously?

Not without causation, quit typing that blatant lie. The causation is because Assad is actively using chemical weapons against human beings. That actually is banned, and we signed a treaty banning the use of those weapons. How can we allow that atrocity to continue? Does the ban mean nothing? And if the world community fails to stand up, what does that actually say about us?

You call us nihilists, I'm pretty sure that word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Well the claim that these

Orion — Mon, 02 Sep 2013 00:03:06 +0000

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Well the claim that these shootings are not increasing has been mentioned without the drug factor enabled in at all. However, there is at least a perception that there is a widespread increase in gun violence. It has warranted speeches by the president himself, protests, etc. and calls that people should "reflect" on gun violence in the country, etc.

The SSRI element - I have looked over some of that writing and taken it down. I survived something pretty damn awful that was combined with a nervous breakdown, seizures, etc. etc. so the writing then is not at the level I think it is now. I still contend that antidepressants are dangerous, just like most drugs taken to alter perception are, and certainly should not be given out in the manner they currently are.

I think you have some concern for me, artie LOL and that might be clouding what you are saying. I have been asked flat out by folks from other countries why Obama wants to attack Syria so bad? The perception in the world as a whole is that we bomb developing countries, and thus kill alot of people, without causation and in the role of global policeman.

I'll try to not bring in as many alternative news sources. I was aware that those sources would bring exactly the sort of comments I got but I did anyways because I am very concerned about this issue. I'll try to refrain from that in the future - I can see how it hurts the overall message.

Made edits.

Yes I do remember the buildup

Orion — Sun, 01 Sep 2013 23:24:58 +0000

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Yes I do remember the buildup which seemed to start in early 2002. Richard Clarke said they were talking Iraq as soon as 9/11 happened.

I could be wrong about all of this but the administration did not feel the need to campaign for actions in Libya - the campaigning that John Kerry has done is very much similar in tone to the speeches for preparation for the invasion of Iraq.

now that their guy is doing

artappraiser — Sun, 01 Sep 2013 22:58:13 +0000

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now that their guy is doing the same things

He is NOT doing the same things, he is doing DIFFERENT things. You are falling for false equivalence and freaking yourself out over it. Maybe the current facts and situation would freak you out, too, and that would be fine. But I don't see much evidence you are doing that, you are instead mining the net for proof of your narrative that you have imagined and are convinced is happening and ignoring all other data. It is very similar to what you initially did with trying to prove a contention that all recent school shootings must be the results of people taking SSRI's, and how you continually claim that such shootings are increasing even when presented with facts that they have not. Mho, if you really want to become a writer that is taken seriously, you have to change these ways.

Well that is interesting - I

Orion — Sun, 01 Sep 2013 22:55:33 +0000

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Well that is interesting - I could be wrong but even if I am - the presence of that many ships was certainly worth worrying about, no?

Geez you keep pointing to

artappraiser — Sun, 01 Sep 2013 22:47:47 +0000

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Geez you keep pointing to that as if it means much. They have a naval base in Syria! And rather than pumping naval personnel up there to service these ships, they are withdrawing some!