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And there are traffic lights

MrSmith1 — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 22:05:36 +0000

And there are traffic lights to regulate when you should and should not cross. But that doesn't stop people from crossing when they shouldn't.

But if we feel it is a

A Guy Called LULU — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:06:52 +0000

In reply to We also don't know if a truck

But if we feel it is a dangerous street to cross, especially at night when vision is impaired, and we see no compelling reason to be on the other side, we might not choose to send our children across even if we know that the neighbors kids made it in one piece.

Like I said, I don't agree

Verified Atheist — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:44:22 +0000

In reply to We also don't know if a truck

Like I said, I don't agree with PP, but was merely trying to clear up what I think was confusion about his point.

We also don't know if a truck

MrSmith1 — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:43:17 +0000

In reply to Although I disagree with PP's

We also don't know if a truck will hit us as we cross the street. Yet, most of us still find the courage to cross the street.

I think this reflects the

trkingmomoe — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:37:37 +0000

In reply to America ala Carte

I think this reflects the fact that there has not been a major epidemic in the last 55 years. People feel safe to opt out and cling to their ignorance. I am old enough to remember polio in the early 1950's and how scared my mom was that we would come down with it. I was a very sick for the first 4 years of my life from childhood infectious diseases that now have shots for today.

As a society we have recently given to much political power to this ignorance.

Although I disagree with PP's

Verified Atheist — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:14:42 +0000

In reply to "If your child is paralyzed

Although I disagree with PP's conclusion, I think his point is that you don't always know ahead of time which child will be paralyzed as a side effect of a vaccination.

"If your child is paralyzed

MrSmith1 — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:18:52 +0000

In reply to But I persisted in making the

"If your child is paralyzed from the side effects of a vaccination, it's not 'small'".

Again, you continue to focus on a specific which is very different than a discussion of an abstract.

Here's what the CDC website says about multiple vaccines: "A number of studies have been conducted to examine the effects of giving various combinations of vaccines simultaneously. These studies have shown that the recommended vaccines are as effective in combination as they are individually, and that such combinations carry no greater risk for adverse side effects. Consequently, both the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices and the American Academy of Pediatrics recommend simultaneous administration of all routine childhood vaccines when appropriate."

Notice the words "when appropriate" at the end of the quote? Call me glib, but I interpret that to mean, their recommendation is not a blanket one and when a child has health reasons for not getting vaccinated, exceptions can be made.

But I persisted in making the

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:37:47 +0000

In reply to "I dont see how you can

But I persisted in making the point that what is being asked, is for everyone to make a contribution to the community by giving up a small bit of personal freedom in order to serve the greater good; the wiping out of a devastating contagious disease. Something that would benefit everyone.

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With that in mind, I began to think like a Republican. I wrote to her; “Why do those that refuse to be vaccinated get to have a free ride and get the immunity from the disease without making the sacrifice that everyone else made on their behalf?...”

I can't speak for your friend who may just have a knee-jerk "i don't like it so I won't". But I have objections to the glib "small bit of personal freedom". If your child is paralyzed from the side effects of a vaccination, it's not "small". True, it doesn't happen often, but it is a risk, and for some medical histories it might be a greater risk. Others might have objections based on freedom issues, and I don't think it good to dismiss out of hand. (I posted about the guy suspected of drugs who had several anal probes before he was released with a hospital bill - for some cavity searches or workplace urine tests are just a small price to pay for the greater good - others think different). Many of these public policy decisions (and others) make a sweeping assumption as to other people's sacrifice. Something like the voter ID issue - sure, for white folks who have a car and have never been threatened with false arrest or discriminated against, showing an ID is no big deal. For most people probably vaccinations are no big deal - at least 1. Some people might start to be concerned with the 5th or 6th vaccination in a short period of time (how do these interact?). Some people might be irritated with the presumption that you're not allowed to ask or object. I understand sweeping public policy is difficult, but I also understand problems with unchecked bureaucracy. I'm not a libertarian, don't have a problem with speed limits, limits on environmental dumping, reasonable limits on campaign contributions, etc. - but I also appreciate that these are encroachments by the state and while for the 'greater good' we always have to keep in mind just how much greater good vs. the negative repercussions, and often as those greater goods get extended, the number of negatives increase. Not always, but worth keeping in mind.

The idea of giving the

rmrd0000 — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:49:09 +0000

In reply to Note, HPV extended to

The idea of giving the vaccine to boys is that males can transmit the virus to women. Women are placed at risk of cervical cancer. The vaccine also decrease the risk of Condyloma acuminata in males. Do you have any reputable data that there is a conspiracy among infection disease specialists, epidemiologists, public health officials and pediatricians to lie about the vaccine? What is the data you use to support that the numbers are being skewed?

And your knowledge about

MrSmith1 — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:52:12 +0000

In reply to Note, HPV extended to

And your knowledge about fluffing comes from ...?