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Mob Attacks More Than a Dozen

artappraiser — Sun, 16 Feb 2014 05:00:46 +0000

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Mob Attacks More Than a Dozen Gay Men in Nigeria’s Capital
By Adam Nossiter, New York Times, Feb. 15, 2014

DAKAR, Senegal — A mob attacked gay people in a neighborhood in Abuja, the capital of Nigeria, dragging young men from their homes, beating them with nail-studded clubs and whips, and shouting that they were “cleansing the community” of gays, several Nigerian activists and a witness said Saturday.

The attack took place late Wednesday night in the Gishiri neighborhood, and one victim was beaten nearly to death, the witness said. Afterward, the mob of about 50 young men dragged four of the victims to a nearby police station, where the police further beat and insulted them, said the witness, who gave his name as John. His last name is being withheld for his safety.

The attack came in the wake of a new law signed by President Goodluck Jonathan prescribing prison sentences of up to 14 years for gay people. There have been recent episodes of similar mob violence in the Muslim-dominated north of Nigeria.

In Abuja, the witness and the activists said, some in the mob were shouting, “We are working for Jonathan!”

About 14 young men were assaulted, the activists said, and no members of the mob were arrested.

“They all had weapons,” John said [....]

With this observation of what

moat — Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:09:12 +0000

In reply to I believe if the authorities

With this observation of what happened to Jimmie Lee Jackson, you return to a critical point of departure in this discussion; The place where the topic of the political method brought forward by Martin Luther King Jr. was changed by you into a topic about how he was killed.

One of the elements in the "non-violent" philosophies of social change as carried out in real time by Gandhi and King that should never be misconstrued or incorrectly described is how much they asked of the people carrying their strategy out. King and Gandhi led people to their deaths.

Jackson was one of them.

I am not saying it is unimportant to ask who was behind killing King. But to have that question occlude why he and his followers were a target to their enemies is not to offer proper respect for what they did under the conditions they did them in.

The U.S. government was only one of the fronts in their fight. And not all of it either.

I believe if the authorities

Resistance — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 22:42:11 +0000

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I believe if the authorities are willing to use police dogs, to attack the Civil rights marchers, it would not be a stretch of the imagination, to consider they would use means, to silence the leader of the marchers. Especially during those days of fear, by those in power.

http://cdn.aarp.net/content/dam/aarp/politics/events-and-history/2013-01/620-civil-rights-leaders-information-anniversary-events-1963-demonstrator-dog.imgcache.rev1357671423859.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/03/05/learning/Mar07LN/Mar07LN-blog480.jpg

Jimmie Lee Jackson (December 1938 – February 26, 1965) was a civil rights protestor who was shot and killed by Alabama State Trooper James Bonard Fowler in 1965.[1] Jackson was unarmed. His death inspired the Selma to Montgomery marches, an important event in the American Civil Rights movement.[1] He was 26 years old.

Criminal charges against killer A grand jury declined to indict Fowler in September 1965, identifying him only by his surname: Fowler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmie_Lee_Jackson

There is nothing murky about

Resistance — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 22:23:29 +0000

In reply to My original point to you was

There is nothing murky about the picture I'll place at the bottom.

I will always accept your

Resistance — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 22:05:23 +0000

In reply to A word of advice, Resistance.

I will always accept your kind advice and reminders Ramona,

To Peter this was not directed at you.

A word of advice, Resistance.

Ramona — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:38:00 +0000

In reply to The Chicago Seven Conspiracy

A word of advice, Resistance. When you're working so hard to try to educate others and bring them around to your way of thinking, it's probably not a good idea to call them "foolish and ignorant."

A sure way to lose your audience.

Especially a Dagblog audience.

COINTELPRO appears to be

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 12:04:33 +0000

In reply to PP: No, COINTELPRO isn't

COINTELPRO appears to be behind the murder of Fred Hampton. Read it. Deal with it. COINTELPRO wanted Hampton out of the way and helped do it. They wanted MLK out of the way - and showed it in several ways. Whether they actively colluded with Ray, they did collude with the city of Memphis and other regional offices, and did what the House investigation called "felonious" acts in harrassment of MLK. Sorry if I can't say where COINTELPRO ended and Ray started - as the link above notes, it was just an accident that all the docs on Hampton were revealed.

PS: Probably because the most vocal skeptics DO say that Bush or the government did it. Not all, and I'm sure there are variations of "truth," but that's the big theme we hear about. Almost all the hijackers, as I recall, were in the US, and they were getting help with money and instructions.

PS: I don't know how to respond to all these points, except to ask, given what you say, why don't you think 911 was/could've been/probably was an inside job by the government?

PP: so who helped these hijackers in the US? or it was all foreign transfer of money & instructions from abroad? with the 19 all dead? so no witnesses - how useless. no wonder we're spending $60 billion a year on Homeland Security - we haven't much of a clue what happened. 19 transfer students go to Ft. Lauderdale for holiday & then bring down the Trade Center. So we invade Iraq. Yes, could have been an inside job high up, or an Al Qaeda job with lower inside help or just an independent band that got lucky. We'll likely never know. We're lucky to even have answers on Snowden's & Manning's leaks coming out.

PS - Apparently, Mohammad Atta's passport was found, miraculously in pristine condition, amidst the rubble. What are the chances of that happening?

It's a no-win anecdote - as you note, stranger things have happened, such as not finding 2 fire-hardened black box flight recorders, but to even mention it brings one in on the "conspiracy theorist" side. [or were the recorders found?]

The Chicago Seven Conspiracy

Resistance — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 08:08:14 +0000

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The Chicago Seven Conspiracy Trial ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Seven

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Chicago7/Account.html

In the end

“seven Chicago police officers charged with violating the civil rights of demonstrators were acquitted. Charges against an eighth officer were dismissed…….

All because they wanted an end to the war? as did many others; but the government didn't care or give a damn; The Democrats were about to screw the people over at the convention, so many more of our friends and family members; young Americans were killed in Vietnam. Till minds were changed? Was it fear?

To the many victims, we didn't forget their sacrifice delivered up by the powerful.

Eventually the government convinced folks to move on and many of the younger generation, has forgotten the armed forces; the government, can bring down upon the war protestors. ( look at the new surveillance laws...... that is, if you can)

Welcome to the New Order, where protestors are spied upon, and the assembly of those opposed, can be restricted, even incarcerated or God forbid..... All because a new generation forgets;... but not the government now more readily equipped, who'll be ready to knock down any and all protestors better than before. The intelligence apparatus enhanced.

No leaders to screw up the plans, for maintaining the malfeasant?

Maybe I should just forget trying to help others see and remember? It appears to be useless trying to convince the foolish and ignorant, who only care about staying comfortable; crying about the problems the government never seems to address and bemoaning what ever should we do, when our government serves the Corporate masters Electronic voting fraud, voter disenfranchisement, Government leaders lying before congress.

While the government say's they hear us ...what the heck does that mean? Poverty goes un- addressed, Good jobs leave the country, people losing/lost their shelter, people lost/ losing their retirement income while the Fat cats of the Health industry get richer and the government tell us; they hear us? "Go sparkle someone else's eyes"

WHAT IS THE DETERRENT, YOU

Resistance — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 06:33:54 +0000

In reply to I suspect they change the

WHAT IS THE DETERRENT, YOU WOULD LET OTHERS HAVE ?

"deterrent" against government malfeasance.....My point has been...they are not. Not IMHO.

AGAIN AND AGAIN you and others, including gun control nuts don't want to answer the MAIN question.

In your own opinion; If guns are not the "deterrent" against "a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism" .....Or as we have shortened it to "repeated government malfeasance".

WHAT IS THE DETERRENT, YOU WOULD LET OTHERS HAVE; THAT IS BETTER THAN THE ONE OUR FOREFATHERS GAVE AS A RIGHT AND PLACED UPON US AS A DUTY ?

Rest of the reply at bottom of page

Response to Peter from

Resistance — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 06:32:47 +0000

In reply to Dozens Reportedly Arrested in Nigeria Amid Antigay Crackdown

Response to Peter from upstream comment. #1

Response to Peter #2

WHAT IS THE DETERRENT, YOU WOULD LET OTHERS HAVE ?

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security…… The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence