dagblog - Comments for "Kerry&#039;s Two-State Framework" http://dagblog.com/link/kerrys-two-state-framework-18169 Comments for "Kerry's Two-State Framework" en Although doing land swaps http://dagblog.com/comment/189693#comment-189693 <a id="comment-189693"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/link/kerrys-two-state-framework-18169">Kerry&#039;s Two-State Framework</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>  Although doing land swaps without regard for the wishes of the people living on the land would be illiberal, we may have to swallow it if we want a two-state solution.</p> </div></div></div> Sun, 02 Feb 2014 23:56:58 +0000 Aaron Carine comment 189693 at http://dagblog.com From Judis: On settlements http://dagblog.com/comment/189682#comment-189682 <a id="comment-189682"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/link/kerrys-two-state-framework-18169">Kerry&#039;s Two-State Framework</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p style="margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: 'Publico Text'; line-height: 1.9; font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline; text-align: justify; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);">From Judis:</p> <p style="margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: 'Publico Text'; line-height: 1.9; font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline; text-align: justify; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);">On settlements and land-swaps:</p> <p style="margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: 'Publico Text'; line-height: 1.9; font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline; text-align: justify; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"><em>The agreement would permit between 75 and 80 percent of Israeli settlers in the West Bank through land swaps. What settlements would remain, and what Israel would cede was not discussed in the briefings, but it’s likely that large settlements like Maale Adumim, where the <a href="http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/30/scarlett-johansson-chooses-sodastream-over-oxfam-following-dispute-about-companys-west-bank-factory/" style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(28, 162, 247);">controversial </a>Soda Stream is produced, will become part of Israel under the agreement.</em></p> <p style="margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: 'Publico Text'; line-height: 1.9; font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline; text-align: justify; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);">On the Security Zone at the Jordanian border:</p> <p style="margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: 'Publico Text'; line-height: 1.9; font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline; text-align: justify; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"><em><span style="line-height: 1.9;">A security zone would be established along the Jordan River. That’s different from a security zone inside the Jordan Valley. A security zone along the river could be a mile or two wide, and would consist of electrified fences and unmanned aerial vehicles of some kind. The Israel Defense Force would be part of the armed forces policing this zone, but only for a specified time. Abbas has mentioned three years. The Israelis have talked about ten years. </span></em><span style="line-height: 1.9;"><strong>[My note: If Abbas and Netanyahu or disputing the length of time as opposed to the concept of a security zone, then that, I think, is a big step.  </strong></span></p> <p style="margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: 'Publico Text'; line-height: 1.9; font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline; text-align: justify; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"><span style="line-height: 1.9;">On Jewish and Palestinian Refugees: </span></p> <p style="margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: 'Publico Text'; line-height: 1.9; font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline; text-align: justify; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"><em><span style="line-height: 1.9;">Palestinian refugees would receive some kind of compensation, but so would Jewish refugees who fled, and in many cases were forced to flee, places like Iraq Syria, and Egypt after 1947. (</span><a href="http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/talking/jew_refugees.html" style="font-family: inherit; line-height: inherit; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(28, 162, 247);">Estimates</a></em><span style="line-height: 1.9;"><em> are that about 500,000 of these refugees settled in Israel between 1947 and 1972.)  That provision, one of the Jewish leaders commented, was meant as a “sweetener” to the Israelis.</em></span></p> <p style="margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: 'Publico Text'; line-height: 1.9; font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline; text-align: justify; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"><span style="line-height: 1.9;">On recognition of the 1947 UN Designation of a Jewish State:</span></p> <p style="margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: 'Publico Text'; line-height: 1.9; font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline; text-align: justify; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"><span style="line-height: 1.9;"><em>The Palestinians would recognize Israel as the nation of the Jewish people, and the Israelis would recognize Palestine as the nation of the Palestinian people. </em></span></p> <p style="margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: 'Publico Text'; line-height: 1.9; font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline; text-align: justify; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"><span style="line-height: 1.9;">On Jerusalem:</span></p> <p style="margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: 'Publico Text'; line-height: 1.9; font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline; text-align: justify; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"><span style="line-height: 1.9;"><i>But one critical issue was left vague and unresolved. The framework will not propose a way of dealing with the future of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and Palestine. “That’s the biggie,” one person involved in the calls commented.</i></span></p> <div>  </div> </div></div></div> Sun, 02 Feb 2014 20:11:23 +0000 Bruce Levine comment 189682 at http://dagblog.com