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Polls like that don't tell us

ocean-kat — Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:43:49 +0000

In reply to Obama won his re-election bid

Polls like that don't tell us anything, whether about democrats or republicans. They're just to simplistic. They don't tell us that people are reconsidering their choice. I'd have been numbered among those who disapprove of Obama for years. Yet I voted for him over McCain and Romney. I still disapprove of Obama and I'd still vote for him over Romney. I'm liberal and I see him as center right or at least too centrist for me.

Its just like polls showing disapproval for Obamacare. I disapprove but do not want it repealed. There's many liberals that criticize Obama from the left who vote and support him because the republican or tea party is so much worse. Polls like these just don't show the complexity of views among the American people.

Obama won his re-election bid

Resistance — Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:25:55 +0000

In reply to I agree and so do most of the

Obama won his re-election bid by a margin of 51.06%-47.21%

People are reconsidering their choice, He is not as popular anymore

I agree and so do most of the

trkingmomoe — Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:21:30 +0000

In reply to The Tea party wouldn't have

I agree and so do most of the country because they re-elected Obama and the crazy right is in self destruct mode. That is what is scary. I am in part of the country where the center right is fed up with the far right and don't like all the threats on minorities plus the war on women.

The Tea party wouldn't have

ocean-kat — Tue, 11 Feb 2014 19:37:30 +0000

In reply to (carry a gun because the

The Tea party wouldn't have bailed out the banker class.

Yes that's likely true. Its easy to make a case that Obama's actions to deal with the crisis were flawed. But that's not an argument in favor of the Tea Party response. The TP would have done nothing. The banks would have failed and the stock market would have crashed. Instead of 8 to 15% unemployment we'd have 25 to 30% unemployment. The austerity they proposed would have driven us deeper and deeper into crisis after crisis with no end in sight. Instead of a Great Recession we'd have another Great Depression. No extension of unemployment benefits would have led to a vast increase in homelessness and a repeat of the depression era hobo villages and unemployed men going to town after town looking for work.

Only this time it wouldn't have just been homeless and unemployed men being turned away from town after town. It would have been women and children too.

No increases in food stamps or the elimination that the Tea Party advocated would have left hordes of people begging in the streets or standing in totally inadequate food lines.

I'm not at all happy about how Obama stabilized the economy but the TP response would have been much worse.

I'll check out that book,

Ramona — Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:15:00 +0000

In reply to Adding, not disagreeing

I'll check out that book, Peter. Thanks. I think the Republican moderates are finally waking up to what they've allowed to happen. I hope so. (Never thought I would be sticking up for Republicans but since we're destined to be a two-party system for a while yet, I want our opponents to at least be close to sane.)

I think when liberals began to believe the propaganda about liberals and lost pride in who we were, we lost so much ground it's probable we'll never get it back. Conservatives are facing the same thing right now with the Tea Party/Koch takeover.

Diane Ravitch has been on my blogroll for some time now. I wish everyone who thinks they know what goes on in public education would read her, too. (I admit I still don't know how I feel about all aspects of Common Core, but I trust what she has to say. She is closer to the facts than I am.)

Tea Party Congressmen have no

rmrd0000 — Tue, 11 Feb 2014 14:34:46 +0000

In reply to (carry a gun because the

Tea Party Congressmen have no problem accepting money from bailed out banks.

(carry a gun because the

Resistance — Tue, 11 Feb 2014 14:03:13 +0000

In reply to Yes, momoe, this have been a

(carry a gun because the government is out to get you-

No Ramona, It's all about self defense.

if Obama was out of the picture need to take a deep breath,

They wouldn't want Biden. Some of these people didn't start the war and many don't hate him because of the color of his skin, they don't like the direction he took the country.

Who benefits the most if Obama and the Democrats are ~~out~~ of IN the picture?

The Tea party wouldn't have bailed out the banker class. Democrats did that.

Yes, momoe, this have been a

Ramona — Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:42:10 +0000

In reply to I have also worried about our

Yes, momoe, this have been a topic of conversation with many people I know, too. It's been going on since he was first elected. It's a real fear and not something imagined, given the emphasis on supposed firearm freedoms (carry a gun because the government is out to get you--but only the Democrats, of course), and the outright hatred for this president, not over his politics as much as over who he is personally.

That hatred is nurtured by bought-and paid-for right wingers who think the takeover isn't moving fast enough.

All those who think our troubles would be over if Obama was out of the picture need to take a deep breath and look at who is encouraging this insane hatred. Who benefits the most if Obama and the Democrats are out of the picture? It won't be you or me or anyone who believes they know what an America under our constitution should look like.

There has been such a over

Resistance — Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:31:47 +0000

In reply to I have also worried about our

There has been such a over reach that the public is getting upset with it.

I don't know if I am understanding or mis this part. I agree, many folks feel this President is overreaching for power and they are VERY upset.

These threats are a symptom of a diseased society. If they could kill a President, what is your worth? Ask the residents of the Chicago ghettos or any of the multiple American ghettos, Residents who feel ignored and in their minds, there is no President saving them.

The next generation who holds the reigns, wont have much to hold on to. Just as our hopes were dashed, when the members of the Chicago 7 became a part of the ESTABLISHMENT, they were once,so against. Money talked and they listened. Just as the next generation will.

Edit to add This is the price of constant war, the soul of the nation is taught to hate; not love one another. "The love of money is at the root of many injurious things"

I have also worried about our

trkingmomoe — Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:00:27 +0000

In reply to Ugly Politics: When the Meme is "The President Must Die" We Have To Pay Attention

I have also worried about our president being killed since he took office. There has been such a over reach that the public is getting upset with it. The media doesn't have a clue because they aren't out on the streets but in studios repeating each other. I have had the conversation many times about the threats on Obama with just friends and neighbors and I am not the one bringing it up. It is being noticed and people don't like it. The disrespect is on the minds of minorities and women. The GOP and the crazy rich trust fund babies have been successful with their wedge issues but they have gone to far in hopes of buying time before this new generation takes the reigns of this country. They know they are running out of time. I just hope they don't add a dead president to the the trail of wreckage they leave behind as they get pushed out.