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The focus was on premeditated

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:32:13 +0000

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The focus was on premeditated 1st degree, and it's possible these 2 jurors never got over that issue, or maybe they were just destined to hang the trial.

Some folks think the state overcharged. Without premeditation, and only needing 6 jurors, a 2nd degree murder charge should be much simpler. Nevertheless, a lot of folks have their "hearts" set on a 1st degree conviction, so I guess we'll try him and hang him as many times as we need to until we get it right.

BTW, it doesn't look good that the 2 holdouts were able to get a 3rd by end of deliberations. Also, Juror #4 didn't mention Stand Your Ground as a reason behind the 2 holdouts choosing acquittal - doesn't quite prove it, but I'd think if that was the main sticking point, she would have noted it. My gut feeling is they got hung up on intent and I doubt the other 10 were into negotiating down to 2nd degree. Not that my gut always knows what's going on aside from beer time.

I know get a hint how Bill

rmrd0000 — Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:15:45 +0000

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I know get a hint how Bill Nye felt arguing climate change with the director of the creation museum. You think that you are being objective, but you are clearly biased. You hypothesize a shotgun existed in the face of Dunn not mentioning a shotgun to his fiancée. You see nun chuks and immediately assume that the belonged to the Black teens. You reject the reporting from a local TV station with a confirmatory evidence statement from one of Dunn's lawyers.

Your conclusion appears to be that the a TV station lied and miraculously none of Dunn's lawyers disputed the report despite one lawyer being quoted by the station.

Your stance is illogical. It is not reasonable. I said Martians took the shotgun because that is as reasonable as the fact that the shotgun existed.The nun chuks belonged to the teens and Dunn's lawyers seeing the photos of the nun chuks which were public did not yell about a Black thugs with nun chuks.

There was no shotgun. The Black teens called the police. The nun chuks belonged to Dunn, the guy who wrote racist filth about how killing more Blacks was a good thing.

Dunn will be retried.

Michael Dunn will be retried

rmrd0000 — Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:02:00 +0000

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Michael Dunn will be retried for murder. The majority of jurors in the first trial thought he was guilty of murder. Hopefully a second jury will come to a unified guilty verdict. Dunn will likely spend the rest of his life in jail, but as it stands, it won't be for the death of Jordan Davis,

letters written from his prison cell indicate that a Dunn believes that more shooting iron justice will keep uppity Blacks in their place. Dunn is free to write his filth ... from jail.

A host of African-American writers have written about the disappointment in not getting justice for Jordan Davis. Work in reforming Stand Your Ground laws in Florida will be a good way to honor Jordan Davis and Tayvon Martin.

In both the Martin and the Davis case,racial elements were not addressed. In light of the sentiments expressed in Michael Dunn's letters, this method may need to be reassessed

Rot in jail Michael a Dunn as you await your new trial.

The evidence in the a Dunn

rmrd0000 — Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:28:24 +0000

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The evidence in the a Dunn car

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Evidence-in-Jordan-Davis-muder-case/-/47588...

Not sure who this was to, but

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:11:18 +0000

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Not sure who this was to, but no one here is justifying murder, and I at least didn't specify gang action - there are a lot of threats to black kids especially, and yes, they need help avoiding problems even if they're doing nothing wrong. Sucks, but that's life - next generation hopefully will be better.

If for my kids there's a high risk of danger and one situation is 12/13 likely and the other is 1/13, I'll of course emphasize the higher probability, but won't ignore the lower.

But you seem to like that "fearing the White guy" bit - I'd tell the kids to fear the nuts who carry guns and nun chuks and other stupid shit waiting to go postal for no reason.

I had a friend who flipped off a driver who cut him off on a pedestrian crossing - the guy got out and broke his nose and cost him several thousand dollars in hospital bills. Don't know if the guy was white or black - I know that a justified finger led to a lot more trouble than it was worth.

I've always been a chicken shit, or at least sensibly scarce when trouble arises. The times I've stood up for "something", it almost invariably doesn't matter, including once when I got my face smashed in. I was kinda in the right, but I was the one left bleeding. The only times I can think of it being worth it was when a woman was getting beaten & a couple of other incidents. Drunken assholes are like mosquitoes - no matter how many you swat, there will be thousands more, so just like last weekend when a ton of drunks at closing time were in my face, I just learn to steer clear - the police will do a little bit, but not much, and unless there's a coordinated Neighborhood Watch/Guardian Angels/or some other organized response, 1 person getting in the mix is just likely to regret it. Plus most murders are between people who know each other - many of these black-on-black and white-on-white murders are over stupid shit like whose football team won... frequently combined with a lot of alcohol or drugs.

Just like the graph you

Resistance — Thu, 20 Feb 2014 05:37:54 +0000

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Just like the graph you provided, skewed to mislead others, but the lies were convenient for your meme. I am sorry but I don't trust you.

Wake up and keep up with the news, Prosecutorial misconduct is in vogue today. Maybe you should review the link provided by Peracles, about going to Candy Mountain.

You say you found a report and I saw no link. What makes you think I was going to believe you, with your constant twisting of words?

You are biased plain and

rmrd0000 — Thu, 20 Feb 2014 04:06:45 +0000

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You are biased plain and simple, When you see the nun chuks and silencer, you immediately assumed they belonged to the Black teens. I was hoping that it was not the teens, but said let us see what the facts are. I find a report that a silencer and nun chuks were found in Dunn's car. I see a statement from one of his lawyers that confirms the silencer and nun chuks belonged to Dunn. I conclude that the nun chuks and silencer belong to Dunn.

You see the same information and, in your mind, create a scenario where there were identical items in the vehicle in which Jordan Davis was a passenger. It it reasonable to assume that there was a silencer and nun chuks in the Davis vehicle that were photographed and then covered up by the police and prosecutor? You say yes.

You are totally biased you have decided the teens are guilty. You would have hung the jury. Jordan Davis would not find justice in your hands.

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You still seem to attribute

jollyroger — Thu, 20 Feb 2014 02:48:45 +0000

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You still seem to attribute the mistrial to the first degree murder charge. The jury received a "lesser included crimes" instrucion that would have permitted a second degree conviction if that was the issue. The issue was stand your groud style self defense, which means that the two holdout jurors were not willing to convict on 2nd degree or manslaughter, but not first degree. They believed that the homicide was justified.

And when religion is the

Peter Schwartz — Thu, 20 Feb 2014 02:48:09 +0000

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And when religion is the motivating factor for a crime, it appears Jews are far out ahead as Americans' favorite target.

He is incapable of

rmrd0000 — Thu, 20 Feb 2014 02:47:17 +0000

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He is incapable of understanding that point. Just because injustice occurs is no reason to ignore it. We are supposed to smile and say thanks for any judicial crumb.