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...it would have virtually no

Anonymous PS — Sun, 01 Jun 2014 02:55:35 +0000

In reply to Even during my time, the MHPs

...it would have virtually no effect on this kind of thing and it makes liberals look bad to equate the two. It's a knee jerk emotional reaction--a mass attack with a gun could just as easily be one with a bomb or knives.

I don't see why this follows...

A mass attack is much more easily performed with a gun for obvious reasons. And bombs are just harder to come by.

Can mass attacks occur with knives? Sure, as we've seen. But it's easier to kill a lot of people with a gun quickly than with a knife.

Knives can also be used in domestic violence.

So I'm unclear why you draw such a clear-cut distinction.

Murders of any type are hard to prevent, because the murderer always is one or two steps ahead of his victims and the authorities.

I don't get it when civil

Anonymous PS — Sun, 01 Jun 2014 02:48:47 +0000

In reply to Even during my time, the MHPs

I don't get it when civil libertarian NRA types call for this kind of thing in order to protect guns from licensing. It's utterly contradictory. Thought the idea was to have guns to protect freedom of thought from authorities.

Shows the lengths to which they'll go to protect guns.

The only thing I can think of to explain this.

They assume they'll never be the one getting locked up. Just as they'll always be "law abiding" gun owners.

Even during my time, the MHPs

artappraiser — Sat, 31 May 2014 20:38:08 +0000

In reply to Although there are plenty of

Even during my time, the MHPs could without a warrant kick down your door and come into your house, send you to the hospital for a 90 day hold.

A cherished tool for totalitarians; one prominent example. All depends on what the definition of mentally ill is and who has the power to define it.

The thing that amazes me along these lines: I don't get it when civil libertarian NRA types call for this kind of thing in order to protect guns from licensing. It's utterly contradictory. Thought the idea was to have guns to protect freedom of thought from authorities.

That said, I totally agree with you and have said so on this forum since Sandy Hook days that liberals fixation on guns as regards these kind of mass attacks is totally irrational and hurts the cause of gun licensing. Licensing would reduce the run of the mill crimes-of-passion violence, it would have virtually no effect on this kind of thing and it makes liberals look bad to equate the two. It's a knee jerk emotional reaction--a mass attack with a gun could just as easily be one with a bomb or knives. Guns have nothing to do with the problem. They have to do with death and maiming as regards domestic violence, gangs, hothead disputes, blind or prejudiced idiots "standing their ground," etc. "Going postal" is not even the same thing, it is momentary insanity due to passion, not these planned mass attacks (not to mention a little bit similar to letting your emotions get carried away about guns when a bunch of school kids are murdered in a planned mass attack.)

To be clear: I'm not pro gun, I'm anti stupid arguments about guns, blaming guns where they are not the problem. It doesn't get you anywhere. No guy "going postal" ever got his job back or respect from his boss or his pension or whatever he was upset about, either.

Although there are plenty of

Elusive Trope — Wed, 28 May 2014 22:10:17 +0000

In reply to I agree. I think bringing

Although there are plenty of stories of parents who committed their children to mental hospitals just because they were being normal difficult teenagers. Even when there is a reason to commit them involuntarily, a lot of times they come out worse off than when they went in, partly due to the issue of their parents putting them into such a place against their will, and partly due to the incompetence and abuse suffered while in these institutions.

Involuntarily commitment is a tricky subject. When I was working in the mental health field in Washington State in the early 1990s, the budget cuts were getting worse and to ensure fewer people were involuntarily committed by the Mental Health Professionals (the MHPs), they tightened the rules of what could let the MHPs to commit involuntarily so that they had to be a danger to themselves or others at the moment they were speaking to the MHPs. An hour earlier they could physically attacking a counselor at the half-way house, but by the time the MHPs talked to them they were calm and not seemingly a threat, there was nothing that could be done.

One has to keep in mind that once one is involuntarily committed, one loses all one's civil liberties. The doctors pumped you full of drugs to "stabilize" the individual, what was referred by some in the field as "snowing." And keep you against your will for a 60 or 90 day observation. Basically incarceration without recourse to the legal system. (Even during my time, the MHPs could without a warrant kick down your door and come into your house, send you to the hospital for a 90 day hold.).

I agree. I think bringing

Orion — Wed, 28 May 2014 21:52:37 +0000

In reply to I think it is important to

I agree. I think bringing back involuntary commitment would be very appropriate - it would also be a way of demonstrably saying that society does not tolerate this.

I think it is important to

Elusive Trope — Wed, 28 May 2014 16:39:47 +0000

In reply to I know - you just have to

I think it is important to remember that he stabbed his roommates to death. He didn't use a gun. In this therapy sessions he talked about flaying people. In people such as this, guns merely make the number of people involved in the carnage and the lethality of a rampage greater. In regards to those who lost their life, three of the six were by stabbing, not a gun.

Some time ago there was outrage in Seattle when a mentally ill man stabbed a man to death as he walked from one of the sporting events (Seahawks or Mariners, can't remember which). Had he had a gun, it is highly likely more people would have been injured and killed. But focusing just on guns and gun control doesn't address the mental health system in this country, or our attitudes toward mental health services.

I know - you just have to

Orion — Wed, 28 May 2014 13:28:07 +0000

In reply to Of course not, nobody thinks

I know - you just have to make sure when you are talking about issues of extreme emotional significance for people. People are more likely to come to extreme conclusions when their blood pressure is all the way up.

I wanted to add: One of my best friends is a student at UCSB. Not going to name her in order to protect her. I called her up and made sure she was all right. She's from another country and said that she didn't believe anything like this would ever happen where she was from. Gun violence was usually only between criminals there. I told her that it was unusual for something like this to happen only a few years ago. Something will be done but I'm not sure what - a return to involuntary commitment might be the step that most people will agree upon.

Of course not, nobody thinks

Michael Maiello — Wed, 28 May 2014 01:54:18 +0000

In reply to I do not disagree with Ocean

Of course not, nobody thinks you even came close that.

I do not disagree with Ocean

Orion — Tue, 27 May 2014 20:40:30 +0000

In reply to "No women ever rejected him

I do not disagree with Ocean Kat at all. Nevertheless, I think that elements of the sexual entitlement mentality and the sense of alienation are pervasive enough in alot of men that they need to be addressed. Grade A sociopaths usually take bad beliefs to the worst possible conclusion.

Please please pleeeeease do not view anything I've written as an endorsement of this sociopath. I have purposefully not named him or put up a picture of him in this post.

"No women ever rejected him

Michael Maiello — Tue, 27 May 2014 17:56:07 +0000

In reply to I read ER's biography of his

"No women ever rejected him as a sexual partner"

I didn't read his manifesto but I was surprised to see this pointed out -- it's not getting enough attention. He was severely alienated and this is about something other than a failure to have a girlfriend. I mean, that's part of it, sure, but there's something bigger going on here, too.