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Street walking was another of

ocean-kat — Sat, 31 May 2014 21:54:37 +0000

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Street walking was another of ER's brilliant seduction technics. Oddly enough, like you, no women picked him up and took him home for sex. But he did give women a last chance. Dressed in his most expensive clothing he waited outside his college classroom until everyone was inside and seated. He made his grand entrance but no women fell at his feet panting for sex. They all rejected him.

I have this pick up routine. It doesn't work all the time but it works often enough. I look for women that are interested in some of the same things I'm interested in. Then I try to talk to them. If they seem to like talking to me about those things we are both interested in I ask them out on a date doing something we're both interested in doing. If they say no I try the exact same seduction technic with a different woman.

I think this sophisticated pick up routine would have worked even for ER.

Yes he was a misogynist. But its hard for me to see him as a poster boy for anything when he was so painfully shy he never even approached women to ask for a date.

We had a grange building and

Peter Schwartz — Sat, 31 May 2014 14:52:49 +0000

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We had a grange building and church meeting halls which still didn't prevent us from turning out badly.

I sat at Starbucks for a few

Peter Schwartz — Sat, 31 May 2014 14:51:52 +0000

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I sat at Starbucks for a few hours and no women approached me and started a conversation. They all rejected me.

OK, I'd kill to get the action you get. (Sorry, poor choice of words.)

Know how many women reject me daily as I walk down the street at lunchtime? Plus, even when they're walking in my direction, they all walk faster than I do which adds sports prowess humiliation to my long list of psychological vulnerabilities. Plus, with all the make-up, no one can even tell who they are up behind those mascaraed eyes. Me? What you see is what you get. I might as well be wearing my telephone number on my sleeve right next to my average annual income.

I was watching a TV show last

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 31 May 2014 04:57:21 +0000

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I was watching a TV show last night where a guy had marital problems, sat down in a lounge, a beautiful thin blonde comes up and insists he come with her, he loudly refuses and then finally submits to her will. Had me almost laughing out loud.

Needless to say, doesn't parallel my life at all.

Perhaps it would be useful to find more ways help growing kids deal with rejection and find better ways of presenting themselves and mixing than we do now. Where I am now, there are a lot more activities where kids can get to know each other than I had - so it's not like you have to ask someone/be asked for a date just to talk to them a bit - or that relationships have to be some instant attraction rather than built on a number of different feelings & compatabilities.

The whole driving culture in America mixed with 21-year-old drinking makes the ease of hopping a tram to go get a shake into an organized event involving parents or siblings, if there's even a place where a 12- or 15- or 19-year-old could feel comfortable (we had exactly 1 in a medium-size town, and that's only because a friend of mine decided to open a place so her kids would have somewhere to go - otherwise, no alcohol, not worth doing as a business - which as the age-limit went from 18 to 21 crushed most of the teen outlets).

I think that was the

ocean-kat — Fri, 30 May 2014 20:47:33 +0000

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I think that was the stupidest video I've ever seen. Not that you shouldn't have posted it And it was telling that he skipped the "fat" women. But it doesn't in any way reflect my experiences.

I'm 5' 4". I was considered a nerd in school to the point that I was mocked in elementary school by kids calling me Poindexter after the Felix the cat cartoon. I'm very introverted and socially awkward. I've been poor most of my life. On top of all that my male pattern baldness started at about 21 and I was bald by 25.

Yet somehow I was able to get married, live with two women for several years each, and have some casual sexual encounters. Yes, I've been turned down for dates and women have let me know they didn't want to talk to me or dance with me. Perhaps I'm lucky but no women ever rejected me in a mean and angry way. In fact mostly women have turned me down in a kind way. Rejection hurts any way, but probably everyone experiences it sometimes.

To repost, the things in that video never happened to ER because he never asked a women out for a date. When he says "women rejected me" he means, paraphrasing from his manifesto:

I sat at Starbucks for a few hours and no women approached me and started a conversation. They all rejected me.

"life as a guy", a Bitter

EmmaZahn — Fri, 30 May 2014 19:29:51 +0000

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"life as a guy", a Bitter Film

When I first saw this video commentary, I wondered how many guys thought it reflected their experiences with girls, metaphorically, of course. I could see more than a grain of truth in it. Watch for the girl he skips.

Someone should do one about the "life as a girl" making innocent statements or just being friendly to guys who almost all take them as invitations for sexual advances.

No time to go into this now,

Peter Schwartz — Fri, 30 May 2014 14:51:49 +0000

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No time to go into this now, but I've always "accepted" the presence of misogyny without giving it a lot of thought. Yes, there are men who hate women (and probably women who hate women).

But lately, the deep-rootedness of misogyny and its accompanying ubiquity has been weighing on me. It seems that it goes beyond a "social problem," but reaches down into what one might call the psycho-social-spiritual-mythological fabric of our society.

It's easy to dismiss Berkowitz's and ER's comments about "women being at fault" and "girls wouldn't go out with me" of the rantings of someone who belongs in a mental hospital or a Hitchcock film. But I think what they say is an expression of something that's very true--not what they think they're saying, but an expression unconciously provoked by an important truth.

True, nor is it even clear

Peter Schwartz — Fri, 30 May 2014 14:42:25 +0000

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True, nor is it even clear what "high quality" means. Also, as you allude to elsewhere, mental health care doesn't really work--aside from the pharmacological methods--unless the person voluntarily participates or comes around to participating after some resistance (which is always part of the process anyway).

And high-quality care, at least in my book, is pretty close to a one-on-one method. If the high rate of violence, and gun violence, is, like conservatives like to say, a mental health issue, how do we launch that kind of massive, labor-intensive effort? Even if we were all behind it and willing to pay the freight?

Looked at in this light, the easier solution would be to keep guns out of the hands of a wider range of people, not just those who've adjudicated as "mentally ill." Yes, they could still stab people, but frankly, it's harder to do damage that way, despite cases in which knife wielders have caused quite a bit of damage.

I could support making gun licensing closer to car licensing and registration, despite all the usual arguments against it. If the ubiquity of cars is any indication, no one who felt the need to have a gun for self defense or sport would go wanting. But it would be a lot easier, I think, to ban someone from owning a gun and aid law enforcement. An insurance requirement might also raise the cost of owning and the penalty for misuse and might have a beneficial effect.

I'm extremely discouraged at the likelihood of any of this happening, but I would support policies like these if for no other reason than to see what good they might do.

Never take dating advice from

Michael Maiello — Fri, 30 May 2014 03:55:06 +0000

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Never take dating advice from a dog.

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Orion — Fri, 30 May 2014 02:51:44 +0000

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