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You're just tossing out right

ocean-kat — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 19:48:50 +0000

You're just tossing out right wing talking points now. No one who looked at the process of passing the ACA objectively would attempt or be able to make that point. I'm not going to get into a long rehash of it but I was criticizing Obama constantly for selling out the liberals and bending so far backwards he was practically kissing his own ass begging for just one republican to vote for Obamacare. A convincing argument, which I disagree with, can be made that this was the best he could get given he had to get 60 votes to override a republican filibuster and there are democrats like Baucus, chairman of the finance committee and totally opposed to single payer in any form. But the idea that Obama didn't compromise at all to get republican votes can not be argued on the facts.

The idea that democrats will "blame the jews" is another right wing talking point. Knowing democrats are sensitive to racism and anti-semitism republicans try to play us. Its bullshit, just an attempt to get some cover given the strain of racism that flows through the far right of the republican party

I have no knowledge (or

Lurker — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 15:34:05 +0000

In reply to You obviously haven't been

I have no knowledge (or interest) about most of the bills you mention, but the impression I got, which may well be wrong, is that Obama and the Democrats abandoned traditional bi-partisan legislating, and rammed through Obamacare along party-political lines. If that's true, it's no surprise that the Republicans, once elected, would form their own tight bloc. Did you think you would stay in power forever?

You made this bed; don't come crying if it's lumpy.

As for whether "Blame the Jews!" will wax as "IWBWDI" wanes, time will tell....

You obviously haven't been

ocean-kat — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:26:50 +0000

In reply to Poor ocean-kat. You've

You obviously haven't been lurking here too long if you haven't noticed I'm one of the biggest Obama critics here. The difference is I try to make substantial criticisms of Obama where he merits criticism. While you link to bullshit articles by Cheney.

There's a lot to criticize Obama and the democrats for. But that's not the whole story. Democrats tried to get a jobs bill passed that I supported. They were blocked by the republican house. The senate passed an Immigration bill that I didn't support because it was too conservative. Yet even by selling out on the principles I believe in to attempt to get republican support it couldn't pass the house. The senate tried to pass gun control legislation that I thought didn't go nearly far enough. It was blocked by the republican filibuster. We have a government with three branches, any one can block legislation. To blame Obama without looking at the actions in the senate and the house is really superficial. Bad as I often thinkthe democrats are anything good they try to do is blocked by the republicans in the house.

Your "blame the jews" comment is just nonsense. Racism, homophobia, anti-semitism, etc exist everywhere. But such things don't slide by here. There is overwhelming condemnation and confrontation whenever it appears here.

As for the "In The News" section. There have been a few discussions about its purpose here. Some have assumed that a posting there indicates endorsement. It doesn't, and that point was made several times. All it indicates is a worth while read or a good argument. Unlike republican and red state sites most here at dagblog like to read diverse articles from all sides.

Poor ocean-kat. You've

Lurker — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 21:01:17 +0000

In reply to Obama's Disastrous Iraq Policy: An Autopsy

Poor ocean-kat. You've committed blasphemy by linking to an article doubting Obama's infallibility. It's too late to back out by claiming "posting (...) doesn't mean I agree with it".

Beinart's heresy is to claim that after six years of Obama's leadership, it's no longer good enough to cry "It Was Bush What Done It!" when foreign policy falls apart. What if people applied this to domestic policy? What if people said that after six years of Obama's leadership my kids still don't have a decent job and will never be able to pay off their tuition debt? Crying "IWBWDI!" doesn't work so well there, either. You can see how dangerous this is.

Once they lose Bush as a scapegoat, they will have to find someone else. Next step: Blame the Jews! There's already a whiff of this among some dagbloggers.

We had no business pushing

Aaron Carine — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:15:29 +0000

In reply to Obama's Disastrous Iraq Policy: An Autopsy

We had no business pushing Iraqis or doing anything else in Iraq. Our obligation was to get out, and Obama took too long to do that.

Also, I don't know how inclusive we could expect the Shiites to be when the Sunnis were massacring tens of thousands of Shiites.

Ah, thanks. I hope that

Michael Wolraich — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 04:07:32 +0000

In reply to AA posted a couple of weeks

Ah, thanks. I hope that everything is OK.

AA posted a couple of weeks

ocean-kat — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 03:17:19 +0000

In reply to Agreed (again). In some ways,

AA posted a couple of weeks ago that there's some personal stuff going on that leaves her with less time for things like dagblog.

Agreed (again). In some ways,

Michael Wolraich — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 03:06:00 +0000

In reply to No you done good OK. It's a

Agreed (again). In some ways, controversial news posts are better because they inspire more discussion. I do miss AA's news links. Did she get tired of it?

No you done good OK. It's a

Bruce Levine — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 02:49:54 +0000

In reply to As AA has often said, posting

No you done good OK. It's a real interesting piece and totally in the spirit of the great AA!

As AA has often said, posting

ocean-kat — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 02:41:35 +0000

In reply to Thanks for posting Beinart's

As AA has often said, posting something in In The News doesn't mean I agree with it. Only that its worth reading. Unlike Cheney and others Beinart makes a good argument worth considering. I'm not convinced that Obama could have pushed Maliki to be more inclusive, at that point what leverage did he have? Or that if he could it would even have worked given how broken Iraq was when he became president. But I sure wish he had been much more engaged in pushing the Shia to be more inclusive. There's a chance it might have led us to a better situation than we're in now.

Also there has been for too much feel good happy talk from Obama when anyone watching the situation knew it was unstable from the beginning and likely to keep deteriorating. Of course there was much more of that foolish happy talk from Bush/Cheney but I expect more from democrats, that's why I vote for them.