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It is also worthy of note

jollyroger — Mon, 08 Sep 2014 03:29:50 +0000

In reply to The familiar confluence of

It is also worthy of note that the Kievan principate was the root of the Russian monarchy, so when Moscow contemplates an amputated Ukraine, it constitutes more than a mere metaphor.

Sorta like the United States would have felt if the Civil War had gone the other way, and suddenly George Washington's home was no longer within the confines of the nation.

The familiar confluence of

jollyroger — Mon, 08 Sep 2014 03:25:56 +0000

In reply to OT, jolly roger/ just ran

The familiar confluence of religion and patriotism--not for nothing is Nevsky a saint!

Another so called Christian

Resistance — Sun, 07 Sep 2014 22:53:10 +0000

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Another so called Christian Church, having an adulterous relationship with the political elements of the world?

OT, jolly roger/ just ran

artappraiser — Sun, 07 Sep 2014 22:36:28 +0000

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OT, jolly roger & bslev: just ran across another holy land thingie, in this report by Andrew Higgins from Slovyansk, Ukraine for the NYT, "Evidence Grows of Russian Orthodox Clergy's Aiding Ukraine Rebels":

[....] Throughout, however, leaders have declared themselves bearers of the banner of “Holy Rus,” both a theological concept akin to the Kingdom of Heaven and a reference to a state in the Middle Ages that comprised the territory of modern Ukraine, Belarus and western Russia.

Embracing Orthodox Christianity as a force to unite these now divided Slavic lands and also their own fractured movement, the rebels, fortified recently by an influx of weapons and soldiers from Russia, used their period in power here purging Slovyansk of rival Christian denominations.

They seized the Good News Church, a large evangelical complex, moving in Russian icons and replacing Protestant services with Orthodox ones. They parked tanks in the center’s gardens and, blessed by Russian Orthodox priests chanting prayers, began lobbing shells at Ukrainian forces outside town. When the rebels fled, they needed two big trucks to haul all their weaponry.

Petr Dudnik, the Good News Church pastor, said he did not know who exactly was behind the takeover but said it fit into a long campaign by the Russian Orthodox Church to portray competing denominations, particularly evangelicals, as a heretical fifth column inspired and financed by the United States [....]

Instigators of the rebellion, notably Igor Strelkov, a Russian former intelligence officer, embrace a radical strand of Orthodox tradition suffused with xenophobia, a passionate expectation of the Second Coming of Christ and a belief in Russia’s right and duty to rule the lands of Holy Rus.

Mr. Strelkov, who commanded rebel forces in Slovyansk, fled in July to Donetsk, where he became “defense minister” of a self-declared separatist state [....]

The tragedy was not fiction,

Aaron Carine — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:36:46 +0000

In reply to My Onionesk rant seems to

The tragedy was not fiction, unless Peter thinks all the different sources have been fabricating data(and I would expect him to provide some evidence for this). He sounds like Edward Herman telling us that the Rwandan genocide and the Srebrenica massacre never happened.

One doesn't have to be an

Verified Atheist — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:00:32 +0000

In reply to My Onionesk rant seems to

One doesn't have to be an interventionist to find the stereotypes you were employing offensive. How did you think mocking conservatory bigotry was supposed to make your point while arguing against "Liberal Interventionists"? Had you thought that through at all? Even a little bit?

My Onionesk rant seems to

Peter — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 15:16:48 +0000

In reply to Verified Atheist, my feeling

My Onionesk rant seems to have confused and upset some of the tender sensibilities here but be assured no malice was intended except that aimed at Liberal Interventionists. They won this round of the PR and Propaganda push and the Humanitarian Bombs are raining down again, never mind that as the actual facts come to light most of this "tragedy" was fiction.

The important thing is that the R2P Interventionists can feel proud of Amerika again as we drop our Bombs For Peace And Humanity on Iraq once again.

I probably shouldn't fret too

Michael Maiello — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 01:18:40 +0000

In reply to Well, I would have supported

I probably shouldn't fret too much about the all to rare "easy out," here.

Well, I would have supported

Bruce Levine — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 00:58:02 +0000

In reply to It seems to have worked,

Well, I would have supported sending in ground forces if it had turned out to be necessary to get them off the mountain, but I understand that to be a much harder sell and, thankfully it seems, unnecessary now.

And I still think the U.S.

Aaron Carine — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 00:48:29 +0000

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And I still think the U.S. military should be abolished. If the air war on ISIS is justified, then it is the only justified American war since 1945. Our armed forces do vastly more evil than good, especially now that we no longer need them to deter the Soviet Union.