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In reply to Last Night, Police Shut Down All Live Feeds from Ferguson (Open Thread)

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barefooted — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 19:36:18 +0000

In reply to There's definitely part of

Both you and Doctor Cleveland give good examples of the necessity to sometimes pat the head in public before privately kicking ass. Yes, retaining calm while exercising competent authority can mean spouting undeserved platitudes. Simply put - say what you need to in order to get what you want. And yes, politicians, bosses and disgruntled consumers do it. I get that. Now, back to Gov. Nixon.
It was completely unnecessary for him to praise the departments, and officers, involved in the atrocities that had occurred. Once he replaced them with the Missouri State Police it was over - the local authorities had no choice. Saying nothing at all about them specifically.would have sufficed.
Yet maybe, just maybe, if he had taken the lead as a government official and strongly denounced their actions, he would have taken an important first step. Sometimes words do matter.

There's definitely part of

Michael Maiello — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:59:48 +0000

In reply to Oh, of course not. I still

There's definitely part of crisis management where, when you're in charge, you can't be railing in public about everything going wrong. Your job is to assure people who are at risk during the crisis that things are under control. So, whether it's in public or even in the workplace you'll very often seen people in authority saying, "the team is doing a great job given what it faces," and then a week later you're having, "Now let's make sure we never do such an awful job again," meetings.

I am glad the FBI is investigating the Brown shooting and I'm glad the Governor stepped up to turn things around in the aftermath but if this doesn't result in a full and open accounting and high level people do not lose their jobs, we can be assured this will happen again and again.

Oh, of course not. I still

Doctor Cleveland — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 05:28:23 +0000

In reply to There's no question that the

Oh, of course not. I still want the St. Louis County chief and Ferguson chief fired. One of the many reasons I'm happy to see good policing in Ferguson is that it highlights how badly things had been botched by the previous clowns.

Politicians tend to say things, during moments of crisis, that will get results. They prioritize fixing problems over telling the truth. Back during Katrina, Senator Landrieu from Louisiana would routinely say positive things about how FEMA, etc., was handling the emergency, even though FEMA et al had turned a disaster into a giant catastrophe. And people watching were annoyed by that. But she said those things because busting on FEMA, right then, would only have made things worse. So she gladhanded them. It wasn't the truth, but it was the right thing to do. She said whatever would most effectively get her constituents help.

What Nixon did is the politician's equivalent of being polite to customer-service people when you have a complaint. The truth may be that the company you're talking to are morons who've screwed you because they can't do anything right, and they deserve to be told off. But telling them off doesn't fix your problem, and you really need your problem fixed, so you're polite to the culpable idiots for as long as it takes to get you what you need.

If Nixon had called out the county chief of police as the incompetent racist imbecile that he is, maybe that chief digs in his heels and fights to stay in charge of policing the protests. Even if the chief loses, Nixon has to spend time and energy dealing with that fight, which means time and energy that can't be spent on other things. And sure, the chief deserves to be humiliated in public, but things in Ferguson would be worse off tonight. Instead, Nixon mumbles some polite bullshit so that the chief can save face (although everybody knows the real score), and Nixon achieves his primary goal of the day: no more tear gas, rubber bullets or stun grenades.

Politicians can be weasels, but this is when they're useful. I don't want to governor with superhuman integrity who lets the violence continue. I'll take the guy who's willing to sling a little transparent BS in order to get the rubber bullets and tear gas out of the picture.

Watching clips of the press

rmrd0000 — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 02:15:15 +0000

In reply to Macho toys for police

Watching clips of the press conferences held separately by the Ferguson police chief and the State Police captain, one gets the impression that the chief wants to be able to use his Tinker Toy tank and police batons to bash some heads.

The chief released inflammatory footage from a robbery and then told reporters that the robbery had no connection to the shooting of Michael Brown.This disconnect can only serve to make the Black community feel that the Ferguson police were engaged in a smear campaign to divert attention from a dead unarmed Black man.

Later in the day, the chief "clarified" his remarks by stating that the officer involved in the shooting noticed a box of cigars that could have been the ones stolen in the robbery. By continuing to open his mouth, the chief emits a heavy cloud of halitosis. He should let the State Police captain inform the media and the public.

Edited to add a link noting the Ferguson police chief's evolving story

http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/08/ferguson-police-to-release-the-n...

Rise of the Warrior Cop. An

A Guy Called LULU — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 01:50:24 +0000

In reply to Macho toys for police

Rise of the Warrior Cop. An interview with Radley Balko who wrote the book.

http://radiowest.kuer.org/post/rise-warrior-cop-2

Macho toys for police

artappraiser — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 01:22:26 +0000

In reply to As rmrd pointed out, we were

Macho toys for police departments everywhere, thanks to the Pentagon's 1033 program. (No surprise to me that Resistance's buddy Sheriff Joe Arpaio is the top recipient.) For some reason, I am reminded of Hunter S. Thompson and one of his favorite memes: "fear and loathing." Watch out for those Pumpkin Festivals, they're dangerous:

[....] In its first year, the military transferred about $1 million worth of equipment. Since then, the 1033 program has transferred more than $4.3 billion in equipment. Last year, it gave away close to a half-billion dollars' worth of equipment to local law enforcement, according to a June report from the American Civil Liberties Union.

While some say the program helps cash-strapped local forces, others argue that sending small communities a cache of weapons may not be the best idea.

The police chief in Keene, N.H., for example, requested an armored vehicle to patrol the town’s “Pumpkin Festival and other dangerous situations,” according to a report in The Economist. Keene has a population of around 23,000.

Authorities in Fargo, N.D., asked the government for, and received, an armored personnel-carrier with a rotating turret.

The sheriff’s department in Montgomery County, Texas, owns a pilotless surveillance drone similar to the kind the military uses to track terrorists in the tribal regions of Pakistan.

According to the ACLU report, Arizona has received the largest collection of weapons to date. The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office was gifted 10 helicopters, five armored vehicles and 120 assault rifles, according to the ACLU report.

Michael Brown was a suspect

rmrd0000 — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:43:27 +0000

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Michael Brown was a suspect in a strong-arm robbery, but the police officer who killed Brown did not know that Brown was thought to be involved in a robbery. Brown was stopped for "walking in the middle of the street".

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/usanow/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri-p...

Here's another data point on

Verified Atheist — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:05:28 +0000

In reply to Last Night, Police Shut Down All Live Feeds from Ferguson (Open Thread)

Here's another data point on the Ferguson police.

There's no question that the

barefooted — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 19:06:04 +0000

In reply to Yes, except that Nixon did

There's no question that the change in command and control was essential, and highly successful. Thankfully. Yet, does that that change erase previous action? I absolutely agree that actions speak louder than words - does it not follow that there should be accountability for those actions? In this instance, it would be a good start to not praise them as they're relegated to yesterday's news.