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It is interesting that Oscar

rmrd0000 — Fri, 12 Sep 2014 14:03:53 +0000

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It is interesting that Oscar Pistorius had a history of domestic abuse but was found not guilty of murder after shooting his girlfriend 4 times. The judge ruled that he didn't "mean" to kill her.

He does face up to 15 years for manslaughter. Maybe if we had pictures things would have been different (snark)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peggy-drexler/pistorius-negligent-but-n_b_...

Good thing one of these girls

Resistance — Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:06:36 +0000

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Good thing one of these girls wasn’t his date

http://www.therichest.com/sports/hottest-female-boxers/

He would have regretted trying to throw a punch, It would have been him on the elevator floor.

Yes. And we should demand

trkingmomoe — Thu, 11 Sep 2014 07:24:18 +0000

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Yes. And we should demand high standards for high paid athletes. If they behave like street thugs then they are not worthy to play professionally.

Seriously, are we still at

Doctor Cleveland — Thu, 11 Sep 2014 03:18:39 +0000

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Seriously, are we still at this point? Don't we know how women being abused by their partners talk?

Yes, she says she loves him and he loves her. Almost every victim says this. Go to Family Court and you'll hear earfuls about how much in love everyone is.

That doesn't mean we get to tell Janay Rice what reality is, or tell her what HER reality is. Only she can decide when it's time to leave. Victims don't get out until they are ready to get out, and only they can decide when that is. It is frustrating to watch. But there is no way to help her to leave. Only she can leave.

But at the same time, Janay Rice doesn't get to tell us that we don't understand. Or she can. But we'd be worse than fools to take her word. We can see what we see, and the rest of us are obliged to act on it. We don't have to watch Ray on TV because she tells us to. We can make up our minds about him.

I would argue that the topic

artappraiser — Thu, 11 Sep 2014 02:06:18 +0000

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I would argue that the topic of this thread has little to do with what you are talking about, though it is an interesting topic.

Twelve women a day are killed by men in Europe
by Roberta Lunghini, July 31, 2014

....Which, making reference to a recent UN study, reminds that lethal domestic violence accounts for almost 28% of all intentional homicides in Europe. Women are more likely than men to be killed by people close to them: while intimate partner or family-related abuse is responsible for 18% of all male homicides, the number rises to 55% when it comes to women. But it is important to point out that violence against women is not limited to inter-partner and family relationships. As shown by a representative survey published last March by the EU Fundamental Rights Agency (FRA), one in five women (22%) has experienced physical violence by someone other than their partner since the age of 15....

For feminists, the news coming out of France the last couple years about the reality of many women's lives there, rather than the myths, makes the U.S. still a preferable place to be of the female gender in general. Though it must be said that French culture in general finally seems to be taking the criticism seriously instead of joking it off as they long did, and they are trying hard to finally rectify some of that, including this:

Slight improvements in the French fight against domestic violence
by Annalisa Lista - 2014.05.08

More here:

artappraiser — Thu, 11 Sep 2014 02:02:39 +0000

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More here:

Violence against Women: every day and everywhere

05/03/2014

A new report by the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) presents results from the world’s biggest-ever survey on violence against women, revealing the extent of abuse suffered by women at home, work, in public and online. As well as demonstrating the wide prevalence of violence against adult women, the report also details incidents of physical and sexual violence experienced by women in childhood.

Results: .....

Seems to me, Americans are

Beetlejuice — Thu, 11 Sep 2014 01:33:49 +0000

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Seems to me, Americans are quite an abusive lot ... guns, physical abuse, verbal abuse, financial abuse, governmental abuse and so forth.

I've been in Europe for 10 years now and it all seems so foreign to me as if I'm a stranger in the land where I was born and raised. Every once in a while I'll feel an anger knotting me up, but the strange looks I get from others is a clue it shows and is not acceptable conduct to display in public. The " ugly american " is still inside me, but is tightly wrapped up so as not to embarrass me with the community in which I now live.

I suspect the community is so tightly interwoven, ugly non-social traits have been weeded out over the years so every one is able to live with civility and harmony. And that what may be missing in the US.

Because the US is a melting pot, there's way too many social norms that conflict and is difficult to judge when they're appropriate and when they're not. One neighbor does one thing, another one does another thing and the neighbor across the street has a completely different method. So without a focal point for reference, it's dicey what to do, when to do it and where. Couple that with the migratory drifting Americans have in pulling up their roots and moving to other places, just makes it more difficult to get a sense of what normal social actions are.

What I'm trying to say is Rice's actions may have drifted over the line for the social norms of the area, but it may have been a social norm from where he came from. I'm not saying he did nothing wrong ...just that it might have been acceptable social norms for him to follow. Which falls back on what I said about conflicting social norms ... in some areas it's wrong and in others it's allowed ... it's all based on how others in your social group accept your actions.

Europe has been doing it for a few thousand years so they have a handle on what is a social norm to follow and are tolerant if you step over the line, but expect you to learn from your mistakes. But I suspect that will never fly in the US ... seeing how driving rules are so different in every state as well as educational standards. Americans pride themselves and being unique ... and that's why there's so much gun violence, physical and verbal abuse and so forth.

Okay, that was just weird.

Ramona — Thu, 11 Sep 2014 00:07:00 +0000

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Okay, that HuffPo piece was just weird.

Boxer Floyd Mayweather agrees

rmrd0000 — Wed, 10 Sep 2014 18:41:01 +0000

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Boxer Floyd Mayweather agrees that the NFL overreacted by suspending Rice indefinitely. Mayweather is somewhat of an expert on domestic abuse having spent two-months in jail in 2012.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/11498043/nfl-overreacted-ray-rice-f...

Count on HuffPo to post

Verified Atheist — Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:48:17 +0000

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Count on HuffPo to post something like this: Domestic Abuse Survivor: Lifetime Ban For Ray Rice Is 'Punishing The Victim Again'

(sigh)