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So because we all know that

moat — Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:55:03 +0000

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So because we all know that kids don't always cooperate when it comes to guidance and discipline, and because nobody seems to know which method, if any, will work, we tend to want to stay out of other peoples' parenting efforts.

It is true that the difficulty involved with being a good parent can make a person more tolerant of other people's decisions than those who have not done that work. The freedom to mess up or build up the minds of one's offspring is not only a result of social conventions and expectations but is written into the polity of our state in the form of the right to establish religions.

While the arrangement is messy and permits all sorts of behavior that I detest, it is preferable to the moral clarity of places overseen by the likes of Cromwell and Khomeini. Our system gives a lot of power to individual parents. I have met many people who have no business raising kids. But they have them and they are required to bring them up. Much of what makes punishing a kid until they are "righteous" stupid is unfortunately the same dynamic involved with punishing the people who have no business raising children. Each new communication is just another beating.

While the above expresses my uncertainty about the best response to the evil of punishing children in ways that deform them for life, I am free in the church of my own faith to note that resorting to force is usually more of a reflection of the beating hand than the one who receives it. I can only be someone who has to be listened to if I listen really well myself. When you give a child the right to speak for themselves, they become keenly interested in the art of persuasion. It takes a lot of work to make that possible. There are times when you have to punish yourself.

Doesn't spanking teach

rmrd0000 — Fri, 19 Sep 2014 03:19:59 +0000

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Doesn't spanking teach violence to youth?

Owners of football teams need

Resistance — Fri, 19 Sep 2014 02:11:23 +0000

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Owners of football teams need to start understanding

Not just the Owners, but the fans need to understand.

This is not to condone the actions of the abusive boyfriend or father, but what didn’t society or fans understand about violence and its affects?

Fans want more violence, whether it is football, NASCAR, MMA style fighting; because boxing became blasé / boring, because there was not enough violence

Who really are the fans that are crying out?

Violence is being taught to the youth.

Football players don’t start feeling anger on Sunday or Monday nights. They've been feeding their hearts and minds on "killing the play / er. They give their fans what they want to see with hard hits and injuries. Taking out a player might make the difference in winning; but just don't get caught for fear the heat will come down on the sport, by the minority appalled at the violence.

Many NASCAR fans don’t care to see cars go in circles they are drawn to the possible event of accidents because that is what thrills the crowds; as with boxing and MMA fighting, another example of blood lust.

Again, what didn’t society understand about violence and its affects?

People are warned

Psalm 11:5

5 The Lord g tests the righteous,

but h his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence

Today most parents don't

trkingmomoe — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 21:29:42 +0000

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Today most parents don't spank. They have more effective ways of punishing a child. You just take the electronics from them, like cell phones, games systems and computer. It works well for me.

I really don't have to punish the kids very often. I also try not to embarrass them in front of friends or make them feel everything is their fault. I talk to them in private. You can over do it with verbal abuse too when you are angry.

My mother would always put a price tag on every lost item or worn out item when I was growing up, that I should be grateful that she was willing to spend the extra money on me. I don't do that because the kids already understand that shopping is a special event. They feel bad enough at the loss.

Owners of football teams need to start understanding that this is not acceptable any more with fans. That they are going to have to screen their choices better for their teams.

So you support stoning if

rmrd0000 — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:39:32 +0000

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So you support stoning if spanking doesn't work?

The Proverbs passage you note probably represents the parenting style of King Solomon. If Solomon is the example of the disciplinarian parent, his son is a bad example of the results. Rehoboam became a punishing and much hated King who had to flee to avoid assassination. Perhaps this is a warning not to use the rod.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin8.htm

In the New Testament, there is a message about discipline, but nothing that specifically says that the rod was used.

Hebrews 12:6-7

Edit to add:

When you say better a spanking than a stoning, you appear to accept stoning as Christian doctrine. Stoning is not Christian doctrine. Jesus stopped the stoning of an adulteress.Can you point to Jesus or his disciples stoning anyone?

I would hope spanking would

Resistance — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:04:46 +0000

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I would hope spanking would impress upon the youths mind the seriousness of the matter and what could result if they didn't change and control their behavior.

I liken the family unit to belonging to a nomadic tribe, whose members are expected to be responsible for themselves. Unwanted pregnancies is not the tribes responsibility. The tribe knows promiscuous activities can lead to burdens being placed upon others.

Early intervention, at the first sign of a youthful indiscretions can prevent grief later.

Better a spanking than a stoning?

You've left off the bit about

Verified Atheist — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:43:14 +0000

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You've left off the bit about stoning.

As you have admitted It' not

Resistance — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:37:57 +0000

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As you have admitted It' not definitive.

I prefer to listen to the Wisdom of the Creator of mankind, the designer of procreation and the family structure, for counsel.

When HIS wise counsel is properly applied, all of societies members reaps the benefits.

Children learn respect and obedience for the laws that govern.. Beginning with the laws of the household, which helps the child learn boundaries, and respect for others outside the home and these lessons carry on into adulthood.

Show me a disrespectful youth, lacking moral values and I'll show you a child without proper discipline.

There are many factors that lead to juvenile delinquency, but it doesn't hurt that children learn obedience and respect for the laws governing them ,

Reward for doing good, Punishment for doing bad, Isn't that what society (even a godless one) teaches and expects all it's people to learn; including the youth and elderly?

Most children do have a have a choice.

Personal responsibility is taught.

As I say, blame those who

Resistance — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:34:47 +0000

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As I say, blame those who have have no respect for authority, for most of mans woes.

What should a parent do,

artappraiser — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:33:43 +0000

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What should a parent do,

Well the Bible instructions you've posted say you should:

use the rod of discipline
strike
strike with a rod
flog
beat the backs of fools

but I don't see any instruction to spank.

The question that comes to my mind is why you think a spanking would stop teens from having intercourse. I believe stoning is commonly suggested in the Old Testament as having the sufficient deterrent effect for those over the age of reason, no?