dagblog - Comments for "Strategy for GOP Congress: Keep Doing Nothing" http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/stragegy-gop-congress-keep-doing-nothing-19009 Comments for "Strategy for GOP Congress: Keep Doing Nothing" en The GOP wants to cut taxes on http://dagblog.com/comment/200802#comment-200802 <a id="comment-200802"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/200798#comment-200798">Republican leadership called</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><blockquote> <p><span style="font-size:13px">The GOP wants to cut taxes on the rich to near zero (both dead and alive rich) then precipitate a deficit crisis</span></p> </blockquote> <p><span style="font-size:13px">This plan of enslaving and burdening the working class, was initiated over 20 years ago.  </span></p> <p><span style="font-size:13px">Why did the people allow the personal income tax, to replace what the forefathers had established as sources of revenue, to support the government?</span></p> <p><a href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=7&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=0CEgQFjAG&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.devvy.com%2Fnotax.html&amp;ei=hRVhVMvyNIT8oASupIKIDQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNHpw1Om1N19mwm7rBQ0F3KvVBgT0A" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(205, 0, 33); outline: none; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px;">Why an Income Tax is Not Necessary to Fund the U.S. ...</a></p> <p>Article One of the United States Constitution</p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_8:_Powers_of_Congress">8 Section 8: Powers of Congress</a></p> <ul><li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Enumerated_powers">8.1 Enumerated powers</a></li> </ul><blockquote> <p>The Congress shall have power To <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause" title="Taxing and Spending Clause">lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common </a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause" title="Taxing and Spending Clause">defence</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#cite_note-58">[note</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#cite_note-58"> 1]</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause" title="Taxing and Spending Clause">and general Welfare</a> of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;</p> </blockquote> <p>Our forefathers knew how friends of King George, received special treatment and who do you suppose would have to pick up the bill to support the government of the upper class?</p> <p><span style="font-size:13px">The lower classes  </span></p> <p><span style="font-size:13px">Let the peasants cut their own throats, while the rich and their allies make the tax laws and ship jobs overseas.   </span></p> <p><a href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=2&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=0CCQQFjAB&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F2014%2F01%2F01%2F1255736%2F-NAFTA-at-20-An-Unhappy-Birthday-and-a-Look-at-the-Roll-Call-Votes-on-Free-Trade-Deals&amp;ei=MhJhVIXYDMjToAT6l4LYAg&amp;usg=AFQjCNFuY0t8ZsHibEaul9n89Adv42PMDA">NAFTA at 20: An Unhappy Birthday and a Look at the Roll ...</a></p> <p>Edited to add</p> <p><strong>Those with the power</strong> will tell you "You want jobs to come back to your cities; to America; give THEM more tax breaks" If you want taxes to support government; tax the peasants.</p> <p>Our forefathers gave us the tools,of Tariffs and Duties  to protect the American working class from commercial interests whose only concern was profit.</p> <p>With Them; it''s all about the favoring of special interest. instead of the working classes interest.</p> <p>The working class was warned what would happen, if Congress passed NAFTA.</p> </div></div></div> Mon, 10 Nov 2014 20:59:20 +0000 Resistance comment 200802 at http://dagblog.com They can't do that with a http://dagblog.com/comment/200801#comment-200801 <a id="comment-200801"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/200798#comment-200798">Republican leadership called</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><blockquote> <p>They can't do that with a Democrat as President,</p> </blockquote> <p>Who would that be? </p> </div></div></div> Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:27:53 +0000 Resistance comment 200801 at http://dagblog.com Republican leadership called http://dagblog.com/comment/200798#comment-200798 <a id="comment-200798"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/200794#comment-200794">Rumors of rumbles to come. It</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Republican leadership called Ted Cruz an "Army of One". Love it. Like herding a bunch of screeching cats.</p> <p>The GOP wants to cut taxes on the rich to near zero (both dead and alive rich) then precipitate a deficit crisis, then take the cleaver to Social Security and issue vouchers for Medicare to for Health care choice and Freedumb.</p> <p>They can't do that with a Democrat as President, so the plan is to reveal nothing and do virtually nothing the next 2 years, while the hothead Cruz Teahadists salivate over impeachment.</p> </div></div></div> Mon, 10 Nov 2014 15:17:50 +0000 NCD comment 200798 at http://dagblog.com Could it be that the wingnuts http://dagblog.com/comment/200797#comment-200797 <a id="comment-200797"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/200794#comment-200794">Rumors of rumbles to come. It</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><blockquote> <p>Could it be that the wingnuts will end up creating their own real party?</p> </blockquote> <p>Good possibility.</p> <p>A  = R + r + I + N </p> <p>R  = Republican / r = democrats </p> <p>I   = Independents </p> <p>A  = pejorative </p> <p>N  = none  "0"</p> <p>No matter how many choices or parties they still serve one group. A</p> </div></div></div> Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:37:29 +0000 Resistance comment 200797 at http://dagblog.com If Obama unilaterally grants http://dagblog.com/comment/200796#comment-200796 <a id="comment-200796"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/200714#comment-200714">The GOP Base sees the role of</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>If Obama unilaterally grants amnesty, it should raise the question of impeachment. </p> <p>This will be an interesting battle. </p> <p>But I believe if there is a major showdown, t<span style="line-height:1.6">he Democrats can forget about 2016. </span></p> <p><span style="line-height:1.6">Maybe that is the grand scheme?</span></p> </div></div></div> Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:07:04 +0000 Resistance comment 200796 at http://dagblog.com Rumors of rumbles to come. It http://dagblog.com/comment/200794#comment-200794 <a id="comment-200794"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/stragegy-gop-congress-keep-doing-nothing-19009">Strategy for GOP Congress: Keep Doing Nothing</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Rumors of rumbles to come. It's right on your topic, NCD, no fictional additions needed. Tea Party still wants to be able to shut down the gummint even though their party will be the gummint:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/09/us/politics/before-battling-democrats-gop-is-fighting-itself-.html?ref=todayspaper">With Fear of Being Sidelined, Tea Party Sees the Republican Rise as New Threat </a></p> <p>By Jeremy W. Peters,<em> New York Times</em>, Nov. 8/9, 2014</p> <p>As Republicans on Capitol Hill move from being the opposition party to being one that has to show it can govern, a powerful tension is emerging between its establishment and its activist wing.</p> </blockquote> <p>Could it be that the wingnuts will end up creating their own real party?</p> <p>I was thinking that the conservative talk radio show hosts are already practiced and ready after bashing Romney and McCain when they ran for president.</p> </div></div></div> Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:29:10 +0000 artappraiser comment 200794 at http://dagblog.com The GOP Base sees the role of http://dagblog.com/comment/200714#comment-200714 <a id="comment-200714"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/200703#comment-200703">Sullivan&#039;s making a real good</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>The GOP Base sees the role of government in their lives as just another form of entertainment. Fox News and talk radio play that up.</p> <p>Americans love to be entertained. It will be very hard for the GOP/entertainment complex to resist impeachment.</p> <p>Even George W.'s Iraq War was largely just hard core entertainment, 'America doesn't need a permission slip' shock and awe, for the rubes who watch the evening news. It was an integral part of his re-election strategy.</p> </div></div></div> Sat, 08 Nov 2014 14:54:14 +0000 NCD comment 200714 at http://dagblog.com Sullivan's making a real good http://dagblog.com/comment/200703#comment-200703 <a id="comment-200703"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/200679#comment-200679">Driftglass has a very good</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Sullivan's making a real good point. What Fox News and all the conservative talk radio heads nationwide need is a good impeachment. Or they are in big trouble so it will probably happen. Everybody in TV newsland did well with that the last time 'round. Now all social media will want in on some of that "ratings" action, too, boost their stock prices.</p> <p>What will they impeach him for? They'll find someone to find something, it's easy, ask <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock">David Brock.</a> You've got the Koch Brothers to replace Richard Mellon Scaife as the moneybags to pay for it all. (Who will play the Dan Burton &amp; Larry Klayman role when you need someone to shoot watermelons and such? Why Ted Cruz, of course!)</p> <p>If no one serves up an impeachment, there better be a lot of really big earthquakes, floods or shark attacks gone wild or a major major terror attack, or they are in big trouble...</p> </div></div></div> Sat, 08 Nov 2014 02:46:34 +0000 artappraiser comment 200703 at http://dagblog.com This idea came from the 20 http://dagblog.com/comment/200681#comment-200681 <a id="comment-200681"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/200677#comment-200677">Excellent suggestions. It&#039;s</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>This idea came from the 20 years olds that live with me.  They think the Democrats need to take over social media. That is were the younger votes are.  They don't watch 24 hour news but they do read the internet and their cell phones go off with tweets.  You want to reach these people you have to go were they are.  All the experts say that we only fall in love with politicians then they need to learn to whisper sweet little things to us on line. </p> <p>One other thing they said that " I voted stickers" were everywhere on both campuses. So there is an engaged young group out there.  </p> <p>All this Ted Cruse stuff and his following will have to play them selves out like Newt Gingrich did.   </p> </div></div></div> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 20:22:31 +0000 trkingmomoe comment 200681 at http://dagblog.com Driftglass has a very good http://dagblog.com/comment/200679#comment-200679 <a id="comment-200679"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/stragegy-gop-congress-keep-doing-nothing-19009">Strategy for GOP Congress: Keep Doing Nothing</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p><a href="http://driftglass.blogspot.com/">Driftglass</a> has a very good collection of links on the National Review <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/392082/governing-trap-editors">"The Governing Trap" </a>mantra. <a href="http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/11/06/the-gops-plan-to-do-nothing/">Andrew Sullivan</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>My own view is that this complete nihilism in terms of governing is actually quite emblematic of the most powerful forces in the GOP today. Fox News and the entire conservative media-industrial complex have no real interest in Republican governance. They thrive on conflict and on opposition. How many ratings-rich shows are they going to produce on tax reform?<strong> They have created an alternate cultural universe for the right where the craziest tub-thumpers get the most attention and where the boring, necessary act of governing is anathema.</strong></p> </blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/11/rumors-of-mitch-mcconnells-political-genius-are-premature/382433/?single_page=true">The Atlantic</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>If you've ever wondered why the Founders were so wary of political parties and factionalism,<strong> consider how dysfunctional American government would be if both major parties agreed to govern only when they controlled all of Congress <em>and</em> the White House.</strong> It's impossible to say with certainty that <em>National Review's</em> long game will fail. It's conceivable that the GOP could retain Congress and win the White House in 2016, and that all the politicians now setting aside substance to focus on future electoral gains will suddenly become principled conservative legislators eager to improve America once a member of their party retakes the White House.</p> <p>But come on.</p> <div> <div><noscript><div><a href="http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?iu=%2F4624%2FTheAtlanticOnline%2Fchannel_politics&amp;t=src%3Dblog%26by%3Dconor-friedersdorf%26title%3Drumors-of-mitch-mcconnells-political-genius-are-premature%26pos%3Din-article&amp;sz=300x250&amp;c=779007862&amp;tile=1" title=""><img style="border:none;" src="http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ad?iu=%2F4624%2FTheAtlanticOnline%2Fchannel_politics&amp;t=src%3Dblog%26by%3Dconor-friedersdorf%26title%3Drumors-of-mitch-mcconnells-political-genius-are-premature%26pos%3Din-article&amp;sz=300x250&amp;c=779007862&amp;tile=1" alt="" /></a></div></noscript></div> </div> <p><strong>Most politicians are inclined to delay or forgo the tough business of governing to preserve their electability.</strong></p> </blockquote> </div></div></div> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:25:21 +0000 NCD comment 200679 at http://dagblog.com