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Wilson might have been

Anon ncd — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 23:54:51 +0000

Wilson might have been convicted of negligent homicide for violating normal police practices.

Of course, cops would never stand for not being able to shoot anybody anywhere for any sudden impulse they harbor, or "threat" they can conjure up.

There are scores of "ifs"

barefooted — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:09:10 +0000

In reply to True but if the first

There are scores of "ifs" that could have prevented this tragedy. Considering yours, that would certainly have helped in the immediate aftermath. But what was demanded, though not ultimately received, was justice in a court of law. Violating Common Core practices would not have achieved that.

True but if the first

NCD — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:59:01 +0000

In reply to While a clear, specific

True but if the first response of the St. Louis Police Dept. was

Dept Chief: "Officer Wilson appears to have violated our standard practices in pursuing Brown, he is being put on administrative leave pending an departmental investigation of his conduct, which could lead to his dismissal from the force. Common Core practice is not to pursue an unarmed potentially dangerous suspect on foot and alone, but to wait for back-up. The reasons for this are clear.....Wilson's actions led to a scuffle for the gun, and the death of the suspect."

A lot of verbiage and bullshit on the MSM airwaves would have been pre-empted, and perhaps the community unrest less angry and violent.

One thing that might help is

ocean-kat — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:04:59 +0000

In reply to While a clear, specific

One thing that might help is to make it a crime for police to stop people from filming them and deleting video recorded.

While a clear, specific

barefooted — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:36:25 +0000

In reply to Common Core Standards for

While a clear, specific regulation might not prevent dumb or racist behavior, it would make prosecution more likely. The probability of that could go a long way toward police officers thinking twice. If they continue to be reassured that they will be exonerated regardless, the "rules" will never matter.

Common Core Standards for

NCD — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:37:35 +0000

In reply to NCD, thank you for

Common Core-like Standards for police are needed. We have them for students, for doctors, for emergency techs, for hospitals....but no such thing for cops. Like "if a unarmed big guy hits you, you call for back-up and wait, you don't take your weapon, leave your car, and pursue unless suspect threatens or attacks another person". Or, if a little kid in a park displays what appears to be a gun, you do not call out drop it 3 times and then gun him down a second later....

If you check the web, CALEA, The Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies formed in 1979 and which says it is the "Gold Standard for Public Safety" it specifically rules out any "how you do it" in police work:

Seeking to establish the best professional practices, the standards prescribe “what” agencies should be doing, but not “how” they should be doing it. That decision is left up to the individual agency and its Chief Executive Officer.

CALEA has pabulum like "prevent crime" and "boost staff and citizen confidence in the agency".

Hospital accreditation organizations insist hospitals have written policy on "how you do it", students are rammed into testing systems as "how to do it", the military has manuals and degrees, rules of engagement for "how you do it". I think having national basic response standards on basic scenarios relating to deadly force, would help dumb cops know what to do, and would go a long way to preventing racist cop behavior in neighborhoods all over the nation.

NCD, thank you for

erica20 — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:01:10 +0000

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NCD, thank you for reaffirming my point that there was no good reason for Wilson to leave his vehicle. If Wilson's story is true, Brown had already demonstrated that he would be difficult to subdue without force, and that with only one officer, the outcome could be pretty unpredictable.

Just dumb. And that any "police procedure" justifies it is inexcusable.

Thanks

rmrd0000 — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 00:31:04 +0000

In reply to Happy Thanksgiving to you and

Thanks

Happy Thanksgiving to you and

barefooted — Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:12:02 +0000

In reply to Happy Thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, rmrd. For all the heartache, there are always beacons of light to steer us to a better day.

Happy Thanksgiving

rmrd0000 — Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:00:51 +0000

In reply to Scared police are bad police: why aren't the police more brave?

Happy Thanksgiving

Time to celebrate

Here is a story from Ferguson about a bakery damaged during the protests. The owner has received $200K in support and is able to prepare baked goods for Thanksgiiving.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cash-pours-fix-bakery-damaged-ferguson-riots/st...

A local restaurant where I live spent yesterday preparing meals for the homeless.

There is always hope

Enjoy the day