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I care little what anyone

oldenGoldenDecoy — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 02:14:33 +0000

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I care little what anyone else says...

All I really have to say is... Hang these bastards by what's left of their shriveled testicles from the highest yardarm.

What follows can be found here…

http://www.lucifereffect.com/trial.htm

Philip G. Zimbardo, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at Stanford University knows.

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~OGD~

So we're not the city on the

Flavius — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 02:06:38 +0000

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So we're not the city on the hill although many of us like you wish we were . We can just accept that ,or pretend it's not true ("Say it ain't so, Joe") or just keep trying to make it so. If not across the board at least every now and then. AOBTW maybe tone down the bragging.

Candide:

We're neither pure nor wise , nor good.

We'll do the best we know

The strategy may have been to

NCD — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 01:28:30 +0000

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The strategy may have been to let 9/11 go unhindered as a precursor to preemptive war on Iraq.

Not covered much by the MSM was the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation of 9/11 in 2002, before the 911 Commission (which Bush was later forced into forming). The Senate investigation was headed by Senator Bob Graham of Florida who wrote Intelligence Matters: The CIA, the FBI, Saudi Arabia, and the Failure of America's War on Terror. Graham found Saudi intelligence and financing was tightly involved with most or even all of the hijackers, and felt the Bush administration was stonewalling him in his search for Saudi connections.

The anthrax attack immediately followed 911, and raised war fever to boiling point.

As I have posted half a dozen times, the White House started on CIPRO a week before the first letter was mailed. Why?

Richard Cohen of WaPo says the anthrax attacks were 'not entirely unexpected.....The tip had come in a roundabout way from a high government official, and I immediately acted on it. I was carrying Cipro way before most people had ever heard of it.

Also 'strategically' not unexpected was that Bush implicated Saddam as a source of huge quantities of anthrax, SOU 2002. In the end they blamed it on a dead guy from an Army lab. If the anthrax attack was done by the 'lone nut' Ivins, how could the White House, Cohen and others have known it was coming down, before it happened....?

was slow to adapt

Resistance — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:41:21 +0000

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was slow to adapt

Especially knowing the CIA had already declared war in Afghanistan before 9/11.

If your going to declare war, don't you think you better be prepared for the enemies response?

Hadn't we learned our lesson from the attack at Peal Harbor? Or do these attacks further justify our course of actions? Civil Liberties suspended?

Selling nicotine delivery

Resistance — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:32:28 +0000

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Selling nicotine delivery systems to minors will especially bring scorn.

True. Though it's the same

Michael Maiello — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:16:18 +0000

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True. Though it's the same mindset for why it is tolerated in white America... nobody thinks it will happen to them. "I'll never be renditioned. I'll never get choked to death by an angry police officer."

That kind of thinking tends to work until it doesn't.

Assuming NCD is white, then I

Verified Atheist — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:37:08 +0000

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Assuming NCD is white, then I don't think he'd experience too much difficulty. (He almost definitely wouldn't be subjected to a choke-hold.)

Just try selling an untaxed

Michael Maiello — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:12:40 +0000

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Just try selling an untaxed cigarette and you'll see...

"A reminder that the last

Michael Maiello — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:12:08 +0000

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"A reminder that the last time that the CIA was heavily reined in by Congress that it lead to a demoralization that ended up with the mess that was the 9/11 Report."

I find this observation interesting because I have really never believed that 9-11 was an intelligence failure. I can see it as a strategic failure where the U.S. was slow to adapt to growing asymmetric threats in the absence of a genuine "Big Bad" nation state, but I've never really looked at 9/11 and thought, "They really should have seen that coming and stopped it." I don't think that all bad things can be stopped. Because of that, I have no problem demoralizing the CIA by limiting its powers and influence.

There are good good comments

Richard Day — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:51:38 +0000

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There are good good comments here.

It is difficult to add anything.

My anger turns to rage every time I read some comment by Cheney.

Salon has a good conversation with Greenwald on this subject.

Colbert does one upmanship by centering on FOX News:

http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/12/11/stephen-colbert-mocks-fox-news-raucous-support/201843

The one prick is saying that torture is okay as long as it is done fairly?

It appears from the info contained in your links and from what I have read that there were at least 118? instances of straight out torture that would make some NAZI's cringe and I just kept thinking about Nuremberg.

A bigger story I think would relate to our criminal justice system--especially these outsourced prisons. I would bet that there are a thousand times the 118 as far as instances of torture.

It might have been more 'humane' to simply cut off their heads?

And this issue does not even touch upon the prisoners at hard labor being paid fifty cents an hour as they depreciate their bodies.

Do I care if a murderer or sex offender is tortured? No. But some idiot who passed bum checks or sold some drugs or.....?

I think about our immigration system with fascist pricks like Arpaio putting mentally fit folks in 119 degree tents and putting some no so mentally fit folks in cages.

China just issued a statement that really lambasts our country for its hypocrisy regarding the subject of human rights.

See, I just get mad.