dagblog - Comments for "Police, Danger, and the Social Contract"

I thank you for the time and

Danny Cardwell — Wed, 31 Dec 2014 02:06:50 +0000

In reply to Police, Danger, and the Social Contract

I thank you for the time and effort you put into your posts. I've read your work for the last six months, and have recently started posting to this site. Thanks for thought provoking pieces.

For those of you that might

Peter — Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:55:06 +0000

In reply to Police, Danger, and the Social Contract

For those of you that might be open to a radical perspective, Peter Gelderloos' ' A World Without Police' at Counterpunch is an interesting read.

You can't reform the Police anymore than you can reform the system they serve.

I don't see dialog either,

NCD — Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:08:58 +0000

In reply to The protestors have issued

I don't see dialog either, not here where it doesn't really matter, but between good cops and bad cops, or between any of the 5 the police unions with NYC residents or the mayor.

Those who think that is OK are part of the problem. As stated before, the NY state DA requested the Governor order that he have jurisdiction over proceedings for any NY cops who kill unarmed suspects. the Governor has not acted, seems Democrats with spines are hard to find.

Loudmouth Lynch has set back the cause of unions everywhere. From a NYT comment on the editorial Police Respect Squandered in Attacks on De Blasio:

The NY police are pushing their luck. I don't think the citizens of New York city, or citizens anywhere else in the country either, are at all comfortable with the random killings of black men by white police officers. The writing is on the wall and its very clear that something is definitely wrong. I think by now most sane and rationale Americans recognize this. The NYPD may be trying to use Mayor DiBlasio as a scapegoat - but it's not going to work.

NYC cop behavior, on Christmas Eve YouTube's Ellen Dance Dare gets surrounded by a%%hole NYC cops and thrown down onto the cold wet street. The NYC police force is not now and never has been "the finest and most dedicated and professional organization of its kind on the globe."

The protestors have issued

rmrd0000 — Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:01:21 +0000

In reply to I made my comment because

The protestors have issued condolences for the deaths of the two NYPD officers. NYPD officers turned their backs on the Mayor of NYC when he visited the hospital where the two officers died. NYPD officers also turned their backs at Ramos' funeral and the NYPD police academy graduation.

Perhaps I don't sense that the leadership of the protestors is as unwilling to dialog as I sense from the NYPD. I don't get the impression that the NYPD is willing to bend.

Well if by whining you mean,

ocean-kat — Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:24:27 +0000

In reply to With so much gnashing of your

Well if by whining you mean, "to have or participate in a party, drinking spree, or uninhibited good time" Than I guess you could call it whining. I call it celebrating. I never thought people would get off their ass and get in to the street to protest against an oppressive government. Now days too many liberals think all they need to do is click on a petition. But not only have there been protests in Ferguson but from New York to San Francisco and many cities in between. People are not as apathetic as I thought. These protests give me a renewed sense of optimism about the future.

Of course I've had a background check for all the guns I have; Glad to see we agree that everyone should have a background check. Time to close the gun show loophole.

I made my comment because

Iphonermrd — Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:22:28 +0000

In reply to You are so wedded to your

I made my comment because there were criteria set for the protestors. Each side comes into a dialog with a set of positions. Both sides need to be open with their point of view.

You are so wedded to your

Bruce Levine — Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:02:49 +0000

In reply to It seems that you are taking

You are so wedded to your position that I "seem" like I am taking the position of a negotiator for the NYPD. I'm not, but I hardly expect to convince you of that based on your comments.

It seems that you are taking

rmrd0000 — Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:45:20 +0000

In reply to You place requirements on the

It seems that you are taking the position of an NYPD negotiator rather than one for the protestors. A negotiator for the protestors would request that the NYPD acknowledge that the community feels that both stop and frisk and broken windows are viewed as assaults on the community.

A dialog begins with both sides agreeing to listen to the other. Using the NYPD position as a demand for beginning discussion is a non- starter.

I do not place any

Bruce Levine — Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:28:07 +0000

In reply to You place requirements on the

I do not place any requirements on protesters. You just need to make me wrong, otherwise you're going to have to think a little bit about preconceived notions. What's your expression in these instances? Oh yes, "lather, rinse, repeat. . ."

Indeed, I don't even think you read what I wrote because your response is utterly non-responsive.

You place requirements on the

rmrd0000 — Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:10:19 +0000

In reply to Peter writes above in

You place requirements on the protestors. What requirements do you place on the NYPD? The union called the officer who applied the choke hold and strip searched to men in public a "model" officer. The distrust of the NYPD did not materialize out of thin air.