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The right wishes any mention

NCD — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:44:22 +0000

In reply to Remember 2 weeks ago when the

The right wishes any mention of the Iraq War their Decider lied us into, would disappear as fast as those planeloads of billions in cash George W. sent over there to temporarily buy off the bad guys.

They particularly hate Moore as he skewered the whole enterprise almost from the first month of Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003......when the MSM and the GOP were prematurely proclaiming a fantastic world remaking victory, and that anyone who didn't agree was a dirty America and troop hating traitor.

Remember 2 weeks ago when the

Grung_e_Gene — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 11:16:35 +0000

In reply to Uproar as Michael Moore Scorns Snipers

Remember 2 weeks ago when the highest ideal, the one which was sacrosanct was the absolute right to free speech??? good times good times. Of course that right ends when a dirty dirty lib speaks!

On Kyle someone on a thread

NCD — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 02:53:17 +0000

In reply to I was trying to discuss the

On Kyle someone on a thread said that anyone who killed 180+ people and didn't have serious mental issues/PTSD afterwards must be a borderline psych/sociopath case. I don't know...

Kyle making up stories about taking out Jesse Ventura in a bar, or his story on shooting scores of looters during hurricane Katrina would indicate the same.

Odd coincidence that he would be killed by a PTSD vet Kyle took to a gun range, maybe not the best place to take a guy trying to get beyond his war experiences.

I knew some Vietnam Vets that

trkingmomoe — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 02:30:11 +0000

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I knew some Vietnam Vets that would not talk about their awards of valor and purple hearts. One told me once that he could not watch war movies yet he was in the National Guard. I think the difference is that back then most was drafted and didn't want to be part of it. This time it has been all volunteer military that could explain some of the chest pounding.

I have no desire to see it.

I was trying to discuss the

Oxy Mora — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:32:46 +0000

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I was trying to discuss the movie with a friend, who had a friend who knew Kyle, and couldn't wait to go see the movie. I respect his opinions. What I tried to say was that, in general, vets of WWII and Korea didn't "brag" about their service. In most cases they didn't even want to talk about it. When I suggested I didn't like the chest beating part of this whole episode in real life, or the movie, especially because it was an elective war, our discussion ended----because in his mind, we had to stop them over there before they came here.

My question is even if you thought it was a necessary war, why the acceptance of the chest beating in this instance when such was not the case, for example, in WWII?

The history of Sergeant York, WWI, and the movie, 1941, just came to mind. later.

Home made pie. That is just

Oxy Mora — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:05:29 +0000

In reply to They were playing THE HELP on

Home made pie. That is just too funny. Give yourself the award.

They were playing THE HELP on

Richard Day — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 21:49:43 +0000

In reply to One does not expect coherence

They were playing THE HELP on local cable lately.

I think THEY did a fine job representing the SOUTH, so to speak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Help_(film)

Say, Senator Ernst?

Care for any home made pie?

Will check that French movie

NCD — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 21:14:51 +0000

In reply to I would buy you that drink,

Will check that French movie out as you suggest. Matt Damon's Green Zone wasn't too bad, "WMD don't matter" was one line from it, Damon responded "reasons for war always matter".

As I said for American Sniper, the reason for the war sure wasn't to "kill people who need to be killed".

For ginning up a war, or explaining a major political assassination, all the US public needs is a 'lone gunman' (preferably dead), or a swarthy bad guy (Saddam, bin Laden) , and they are OK with it, as is the sycophantic corporate media.

I would buy you that drink,

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 19:49:19 +0000

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I would buy you that drink, but skip the movie.

Careful what you volunteer for, it takes more than one.

One wonders if it was Clint's idea to make it or the Halliburton section of the CIA, likely Clint's idea as the CIA videos usually wind up being destroyed to avoid prosecution.

Where I said above that much propaganda is institutional and therefore often hard to recognize, I also meant to say that because it is institutionally embedded in our culture that it is also often unintentional. Even when I am very clear in my own mind what I intend to convey I often fail to get it across in a way so that others see it accurately, and that is whether they agree or not, the latter often being the case.

Here is some more of my rant about the movie.

It starts with a bit from the movie that might have been partly intended to be funny but that made me want to throw a ball of soiled yellow ribbons at the screen. Regardless how it was intended it demonstrates much of the tone of the movie regarding Kyle’s character, I think. It is a perverted remake of, or at least made me recall, a movie scene we will probably all remember. I am referring to the scene from “Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid” where they were auditioning for a job as bodyguards for the old guy who delivered the money from the mine proceeds? He wanted to see how well they could shoot and was entirely unimpressed until they did a quick draw and impressively shot a can or something several times as they bounced it down the road or maybe out of the sky, and then said something to the affect of, “We’re better when we are moving”. It was funny, it made me laugh. They got the job.

[No quotes are verbatim] In an early part of the movie Kyle is at the rifle range and not doing too well. The instructor tells him that he needs to tighten up his groups and we know that to succeed as a sniper he has to do better. The next three shots are not any better though and the instructor asks him if he can even see the target. The view changes to that through Kyle’s scope, a lot of the movie had this perspective, and his aim then moves off the target to a nearby place in the sand. He fires and hits rattlesnake that wasn’t apparent until it is popped into the air thanks to Kyles ‘dead eye’. Kyle says, “I’m better when the target is breathing”. One reptile kills another. Both are snakes. One is heated by the sun, One feels the heat of life only when bringing the shadow of death to another living thing. Does either have a soul and can a soulless reptile be a hero? Apparently so if properly packaged. Its all too confusing. What happened to these lovely children? said the sarcastic misanthrope.

I did see a movie involving war recently that I would recommend, a French movie called “Incendies”. Wikipedia has a good write-up but anyone choosing to see it is advised not to read the plot-line to the end.

I would buy you that drink,

NCD — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 19:26:44 +0000

In reply to Is the movie "fun" to watch?

I would buy you that drink, but skip the movie.

Propaganda it surely is. One wonders if it was Clint's idea to make it or the Halliburton section of the CIA, likely Clint's idea as the CIA videos usually wind up being destroyed to avoid prosecution.

One Iraq veteran's life that will not be made into a movie, is in the book Shade it Black, about a young women in the Marines Mortuary Affairs unit in Iraq.

Where dead and not so dead bodies are packed up for registration and shipment. You 'shade in black' the missing body parts (usually IED casualties), and sort out multiple bodies and parts to try and match things up.

The 'not so dead' refers to one case related in the book where Ms. Goodell noted the body they received was still flexible, shocked they then noted breathing.....alarmed she notified superiors..... who told her don't worry, wait. So they waited. The Marine soon died as they stood there watching.