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Merck goes to court for

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 10:55:55 +0000

In reply to Irony: antivaxx & abortion -

Merck goes to court for faking Mumps vaccine data - should they be charged with murder for any resulting mumps death, criminal fraud?

Irony: antivaxx & abortion -

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 10:20:35 +0000

In reply to Nudge the Anti-Vaxxers

Irony: antivaxx & abortion - conservatives want women to be "educated" by watching horrific images of fetuses being sucked out, as well as apprised of adoption services and what not.

Where's their need for good education for deciding on vaccines - images of polio and measles deaths, the slow painful onset of tetanus? Selective outrage and methodology as usual. The situations may be different, but the methods & logic shouldn't be.

Perhaps they'll be protesting vaccine clinics in the future, shaming vaxxers.

Just a thought that crossed my mind on this lovely morning.

There are ways that Tylenol

rmrd0000 — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:43:30 +0000

In reply to I was prescribed oxycodone

There are ways that Tylenol metabolism could effect the way oxygen is handled in the body including the brain and possibly cause autism.making a 1:1 correlation between observations in test tubes and human is sometimes difficult. Tylenol might be a factor in autism. We cannot say that it is a factor in autism https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/blog/dr-cannell-on-tylenol-oxidative-str...

Yes aceteminophen is a liver

ocean-kat — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 20:45:57 +0000

In reply to As a general gripe about

Yes aceteminophen is a liver toxin. Even in overdose it doesn't display neurological symptoms. So returning to the original topic of autism. Anything is possible so it's possible there could be a link between tylenol and autism but it's extremely unlikely.

I was prescribed oxycodone

A Guy Called LULU — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:21:15 +0000

In reply to You are correct about

I was prescribed oxycodone about six months ago for a rotator cuff injury. In the abuse warning conversation with the doctor I was told the greatest danger of using more than prescribed was because I would be getting too much of the included Tylenol.

As a general gripe about

NCD — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:13:34 +0000

In reply to You are correct about

As a general gripe about Tylenol and generic acetaminophen, try to find the 'normal' dose size of 325 mg pills. All they usually have is 500mg 'extra strength'.

Almost impossible to find 325mg in Walgreen, CVS or Wal Mart.

If there are any it's only one row of a few bottles, bottom shelf. And usually Tylenol brand and much more expensive than same # of generic 'extra strength' 500 mg pills (they don't often stock generic 325mg).

It's like they are trying to fry your liver with the stuff. (it is of course a liver toxin if you take enough of it long enough)

Plus its in the cough syrup and cold remedies.

That is interesting because

rmrd0000 — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:13:15 +0000

In reply to As a general gripe about

That is interesting because the FDA recommended limiting the dose in Tylenol combos to 325 mg http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/SafetyInformation/SafetyAlertsforHuma...

You are correct about

rmrd0000 — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 15:33:09 +0000

In reply to …and if acupuncture is

You are correct about acupuncture, it is assumed to be safe and probably is but it hasn't rigorously been explored. The Tylenol situation seems to be that of all the drugs available to treat pain in pregnancy, it appeared to be the safest. After a period of safe use in pregnant women, someone asked the question about risks to the fetus and child and found a possible connection to autism and ADHD. The Denmark study made the question more pointed since there did seem to be an association with duration of Tylenol therapy.

The question of why there isn't an immediate halt to Tylenol use in pregnancy is what options are available, there appear to be few. The type of study needed to prove a direct link between Tylenol and ADHD or autism is costly. Researchers look for funding from government agencies like the NIH/NIMH. The NIMH seems to be more focuses on basic science according to one of the clinical psychiatrist authors of "Shrink Wrap". To get funding for a multi enter, multi patient study, you need to have data from previous studies indicating a problem. You write a proposal and try to get a funded contract from the NIH or an NGO interested in autism. Big studies are not events created overnight.

…and if acupuncture is

Verified Atheist — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 15:12:52 +0000

In reply to There don't appear to be any

…and if acupuncture is effective, has it been shown to be safe? Most doctors assume it's safe because they assume it is effectively a placebo. But if you remove that latter assumption, the former assumption must also be reevaluated, right?

There don't appear to be any

rmrd0000 — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 13:35:13 +0000

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There don't appear to be any safe pain drugs in pregnancy. The Tylenol problem appears to worsen with duration of therapy. Other than noting the risks of pain medications before prescribing a pain medication to a pregnant woman and limiting the duration of pain therapy, what alternative is there? Is acupuncture inexpensive? Has acupuncture actually been shown to be effective in pain during pregnancy.