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when the sure fire result of

Resistance — Sun, 05 Apr 2015 23:38:22 +0000

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when the sure fire result of constant war is that we will eventually lose.

What do you mean WE, Kimosabe

That would be a risk which I doubt Iran would feel the need to take if they were experiencing the relief that an agreement would provide them. I suspect that a reason,

“Care about what other people think

and you will always be their prisoner.”

― Lao Tzu

Remember:

First came the League of Nations and it was done away with, then came The United Nations.

The only thing going to be done away with in the next program governing Earths affairs; is our freedoms and liberties. OBEY or else.

There is no contradiction of

Verified Atheist — Sun, 05 Apr 2015 22:39:32 +0000

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There is no contradiction of possibilities or alleged facts to say that 23 years ago Iran had no centrifuges and that now they have a lot of them.

Yes, even though I put that quote in there, somehow I misread it to say that there were no centrifuges now, and not that there were no centrifuges 23 years ago. It's funny (and shows in general how ignorant I am on the political situation) that I was actually looking for a link supporting that (non-)assertion (that there are currently no centrifuges in Iran) and how we have the technology to find them. Once I read it that way, my mind never saw what it actually said, even after I'd found links pointing out how wrong it was.

There is no contradiction of

A Guy Called LULU — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 14:32:22 +0000

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There is no contradiction of possibilities or alleged facts to say that 23 years ago Iran had no centrifuges and that now they have a lot of them. The Politifact article though is indeed interesting and presents a scenario I have not seen addressed elsewhere.

I do believe that monitoring of known enrichment sites would be, already is, stringent enough to identify any move towards breakout and that any attempt to produce weapons grade material secretly would need entirely new secret facilities. That would be a great risk to Iran which, if discovered as it almost certainly would be, would remove any doubt as to their ultimate intentions and would almost certainly result in a joint U.S. and Israel military response. That would be a risk which I doubt Iran would feel the need to take if they were experiencing the relief that an agreement would provide them. I suspect that a reason, not the only reason, Iran has pursued nuclear development the way they have is to create a bargaining chip which they are willing to give up in a bargain but if that is a tactic it creates a game of chicken which will probably force them to try for a bomb if the negotiations fail. Iran has their hawks and no doubt their fair share of chicken hawks playing political gamesmanship too. Failure to come to an agreement with Iran would be, IMO, a sad and tragic slip-slide towards a military attack on them and the possible results of that are cataclysmic. We cannot, IMO, keep on trying to rule the world with military interventions or the threat of same without eventually bringing down our own house. The chances any real attempt to forge a cooperative peace entail are worth taking when the sure fire result of constant war is that we will eventually lose.

Thanks for those links.

Yes, that was 23 years ago,

Verified Atheist — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 13:32:54 +0000

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Yes, that was 23 years ago, when Iran was emerging from the devastation of an eight-year war with Iraq and had not one single centrifuge operating.

Actually, according to CNN, they have approximately 10,000 centrifuges operating (out of 18,000 total). See also this bit from Politifact.

had not one single centrifuge

Resistance — Wed, 01 Apr 2015 23:16:56 +0000

In reply to Some have been telling us for

had not one single centrifuge operating.

and you know this, how?

Did the ayatollahs say trust us? We really didn't mean, to take your people hostage?

when Iran was emerging from the devastation of an eight-year war with Iraq

Why wouldn't Iran have sought an advantage in the War with Iraq?

America supposedly saved millions of lives, dropping two bombs in Japan

Some have been telling us for

A Guy Called LULU — Wed, 01 Apr 2015 17:09:45 +0000

In reply to The Deal with Iran: Five Arguments to Watch Out For

Some have been telling us for years that Iran is on the brink of having a nuclear weapon. The all-time winner in this category is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He first warned officially that Iran was 3-5 years away from a nuclear weapon when he was a member of the Knesset in 1992. Yes, that was 23 years ago, when Iran was emerging from the devastation of an eight-year war with Iraq and had not one single centrifuge operating.