dagblog - Comments for "WACO Bikers, Not Guilty by Stand Your Ground?"

Always playing the victim

Resistance — Fri, 22 May 2015 20:30:46 +0000

Always playing the victim card?

The bikers went after other gang members.

The Black rioters go after the money, as long as it is someone elses money; (like innocent store clerks or taxpayers) .

Freddie Gray was just the excuse needed by those who would steal from others.

If the Waco police knew that five ~~black~~ biker gangs were meeting to resolve disputes, the Waco police would have been in riot gear and armored vehicles

I''d be curious to know if the three bikers who were released on 50K dollars bond, weren't working for the police all along and were released, in order to keep them from associating with the general jail population, who might have discovered the police had planted and planned an ambush in WACO

The armored vehicles probably not to far from the scene, but the snipers, with military gear were already in position outside the bar?

But who will cry, if the police conduct an exercise and in the process take out a few members of a MC gang.

A win/win for the Police State; Shoot to kill the bikers and if they fire back in self defense claim police justification.

Then spread rumors of retaliation, to an unsuspecting public, to garner sympathy for the Police State?

Hopefully just a rumor.

NCD — Fri, 22 May 2015 17:27:20 +0000

In reply to It appears that some of the

Hopefully just a rumor.

All Texas needs is the Republican legislature/governor's plan (see above) for legal open carry for handguns in Texas (which to my knowledge never requires a license permit from a state).

I know the cops do not like open carry because concealed carry almost always requires a permit, fee, license, background check, course on safety, which criminals, or guys like these bikers almost never bother with.

When an incident occurs, the big advantage for police of no open carry is guys with concealed guns with no permit, can be arrested.

With open carry, they can pull the gun out of concealment stick them into their belt and be legal and the cops may have no grounds to arrest them.

Without open carry, as in Waco, the cops found over a hundred abandoned guns from guys who obviously had no concealed carry license.

It appears that some of the

rmrd0000 — Fri, 22 May 2015 16:28:39 +0000

In reply to Apposite observation. Riot

It appears that some of the gentlemen of the motorcycle enthusiast group known as the Bandidos want revenge on the police. The brawlers are apparently receiving grenades and explosives to carry out their planned retaliation.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/21/us/texas-biker-shooting/

Apposite observation. Riot

NCD — Fri, 22 May 2015 14:40:36 +0000

In reply to Another interesting point

Apposite observation. Riot gear and military gear for protesting high school kids and some opportunistic thieves, nada for scores of bikers armed to the teeth.

Another interesting point

rmrd0000 — Fri, 22 May 2015 12:05:42 +0000

In reply to WACO Bikers, Not Guilty by Stand Your Ground?

Another interesting point about the Waco biker shootings is how the media described the event. Many called the event a brawl. Nine people died. One hundred and seventy people were arrested. A brawl. In Baltimore, there was property damage but no deaths (except for Freddie Gray). The protesters were " thugs" and the morality of the entire black community came under fire. If black biker gangs had shot up a black- owned bar and killed nine blacks, we would be discussing Black-on-Black crime and lack of black morality. If the Waco police knew that five black biker gangs were meeting to resolve disputes, the Waco police would have been in riot gear and armored vehicles. Black bikers might have been searched for weapons prior to the meeting. Stand Your Ground would be a side issue.

http://t.thestar.com/#/article/news/world/2015/05/20/why-arent-violent-b...

Good point on the concealed

NCD — Thu, 21 May 2015 03:31:40 +0000

In reply to I think a much bigger legal

Good point on the concealed carry, they still require a permit in Texas. Surprising but true.

The Texas legislature is working on an open carry law for Texas because 'current gun laws didn't stop the Waco incident' so....why not loosen up gun laws some more and see what happens.

Open carry usually requires no permit. The article says Texas cops are against the open carry law.

I think a much bigger legal

Peter — Thu, 21 May 2015 03:01:09 +0000

In reply to WACO Bikers, Not Guilty by Stand Your Ground?

I think a much bigger legal question is being missed here. I doubt that many if any of these bikers were legally carrying weapons so the SYG defense is probably moot.

The real, strange and probably unconstitutional problem is the arrest of about 150 people who were not involved in the shootout and are being held on $1 Million bails. Even club members, there were many bike clubs there, who arrived after the shootout were arrested.

Standing your ground by

NCD — Wed, 20 May 2015 23:51:11 +0000

In reply to A question is why did the

Standing your ground by shooting your gun, be it one person or 190 people simultaneously firing at each other in a public place, is not a crime in Texas. The law above specifically protects that activity.

It is as legal as walking your dog.....or 190 dogs.

Texas cops need to know the laws of Texas on this point.

I sincerely doubt the bikers would start shooting at cops unless returning fire in self defense. If most were killed by cops lawsuits may succeed claiming cops were interfering with the rights of the two biker groups merely seeking to stand their ground as proscribed under Texas codes.

However, I doubt this has any connection to Jade Helm.

A question is why did the

Resistance — Wed, 20 May 2015 22:50:32 +0000

In reply to WACO Bikers, Not Guilty by Stand Your Ground?

A question is why did the police intervene,

Because they wanted too?.

It was reported, that the police were already in place at the scene, prior to the melee.

Did the police have sniper units ready?

Was the instigator of the confrontation, a police plant; whose sole purpose was to spark a confrontation; to be set off at a time of the authorities choosing?

For the purpose of elimination / removal. of certain members of society, along with their hierarchy of command and control, of those who could resist, what the sheeple will not.

BTW

Wasn't their a recent joke, about some legislative members of the State of Texas, fearing the establishment of martial law by the Feds, in order to control the States?

How convenient to destroy the command and control of those opposed or could oppose, any design by the Feds to take over control of the States

Texas is the first test.

Did Waco clear this police action though the State Government or will they receive Fed money for their role in this matter?

Gun carry was, of course,

NCD — Wed, 20 May 2015 21:19:44 +0000

In reply to If two armed people stand

Gun carry was, of course, banned in the Wyatt Earp days in Tombstone, AZ.

"You could wear your gun into (Tombstone) town, but you had to check it at the sheriff's office or the Grand Hotel, and you couldn't pick it up again until you were leaving town," said Bob Boze Bell, executive editor of True West Magazine, which celebrates the Old West. "It was an effort to control the violence."

Earp was what you would call an old fashion conservative.