dagblog - Comments for "Christian Rejection of Humanism: Josh Duggar and Bill O'Reilly"

You did a better job of

Danny Cardwell — Sun, 31 May 2015 04:34:13 +0000

In reply to There is no controversy about

You did a better job of articulating my point than I did. Thanks!

I just like the song "I don't

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 30 May 2015 04:54:24 +0000

In reply to the awfulness that the judge

I just like the song "I don't give a fuck, not a single fuck, not a single solitary fuck, motherfuckah..." - gave me an excuse to share. Figured you ignored the video anyway, not your style.

the awfulness that the judge

ocean-kat — Fri, 29 May 2015 21:23:18 +0000

In reply to "Bringing up the idea of jail

the awfulness that the judge expunged the records,

More bullshit from you. When people discuss the judge expunging Duggar's record they're not discussing whether juvenile's records for minor sexual offenses should be expunged if there are no repeat offenses after some number of years. Nor are they implying he should have been jailed. They're discussing a judge issuing an order to expunge the records of one single individual while leaving the records of many others intact. While I would probably support expunging records of juveniles after a period of good behavior I have a problem with a judge making a special provision for one person. Don't you?

You keep thinking I care about you. I don't. Remember that comment I made about not giving a fuck that you seemed to like? It wasn't only about wattree, and if he posts something I like and feel moved to respond to I'll post my agreement with him. Because what I post has nothing to do with the person I'm posting to nor does it have anything to do with prior arguments or lingering resentments. If I agree with you it's because you said something I agree with. If I disagree it's because you said something I disagree with. You, as a person, are a complete stranger to me and I don't give a fuck about you. There's no personal vendetta here because we have no personal relationship. I'm not holding onto lingering resentments because I just don't care about you. Get over yourself dude.

"Bringing up the idea of jail

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 29 May 2015 20:28:53 +0000

In reply to You have a typical script you

"Bringing up the idea of jail is another straw man. I've seen no one suggest he should have been sent to prison for fondling his sisters. But again since it seems to be the most super important issue to you I'll state that jail is not the appropriate punishment for a teen fondling his sisters." - they keep bringing up the importance of reporting this to the police, the awfulness that the judge expunged the records, etc. - what the fuck do you think they're asking if not to have the ordeal turn into some kind of juvenile home, or incarcerated as an adult as our over-zealous system likes doing with 14/15-year-olds? sorry that I know how to read just a wee bit between the lines - Democratic crowd wants blood from GOP scandal figure.

And sorry if folks here lumping 3 kinds of affronts to females together warrants a dissection of the differences - celebrity drug-rape with impunity for decades is different from a domestic dispute/child custody chokehold is different from adults talking dirty on the phone and/or workplace verbal harassment is different from an adolescent copping a feel inappropriately from several girls and getting punished for it.

You have a typical script where you come along and ignore the original post and stream of comments that followed just to pick a gripe with me - in this case a post calling this Duggar guy a "fallen religious personality" based on stuff he did as a kid 12-13 years ago, while Bill O'Reilly is a "religious figure" at all?

"The mere fact that it happened again and again and again after it was reported over and over by the girls to their parents " - I've seen that the father found out on 2 occasions, in July 2002 and March 2003, and from what I can tell tried to deal with the situation - the 2nd time apparently successfully. How he "handled it poorly" aside from calling in the police and letting them handle it, I don't know.

And sorry if I know of a lot worse sexual molestation and trauma and think it's extremely stupid and puritan and typical American weirdness about sex that people can equate fondling with violent rape. Yes, the former is icky, can cause problems, should be dealt with, but is a lot less likely to cause permanent psychological trauma and difficulties than a typical American date rape, violent rape in a park or alley or parking lot or stairwell or workplace, fully consummated incest and wherever else these yearly 300,000 US sexual assaults take place. The thing I was trivializing was not rape, but making some political figure your rapist poster child when the problem is much more severe and cuts across men who are religious and atheist, loudmouth blowhards and quiet antisocials, strangers and acquaintances an husbands/boyfriend, etc., etc., etc.

Edited to add that by far the majority of rapes are in someone's home, not outdoors.

I'm pretty sure you've no

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 29 May 2015 20:21:22 +0000

In reply to Time to leave the discussion.

I'm pretty sure you've no idea what you're talking about, and your perception of "vile" is shrouded in a whole complex of misunderstandings both intentional and accidental.

Developing adult analysis & responses for life's widespread & recurring bad-to-awful social phenomena is not "tolerating", it's simply being mature and trying to be effective and progressive.

Time to leave the discussion.

rmrd0000 — Fri, 29 May 2015 18:42:04 +0000

In reply to Yes, psychological trauma can

Time to leave the discussion. Your urge to be a contrarian has led you to support some pretty vile ideas.

You have a typical script you

ocean-kat — Fri, 29 May 2015 18:36:39 +0000

In reply to 1) Fondling is less serious

You have a typical script you run quite often here. The "worse things are happening" script. Of course worse things are happening. We could play that game until we get to Hitler and then, whoops, Goodwin's Law. That approach stymies serious discussion of the situation and trivializes the abuse. I'm more than capable of discussing horrendous human rights abuses and in the next moment discussing social problems that are less devastating. I'm not sure why you find that difficult. I'm not at all interested in discussing whether rape is worse than fondling. It's a straw man argument, an attempt to divert the discussion. But since you seem to need to hear someone say it, yes it is. Bringing up the idea of jail is another straw man. I've seen no one suggest he should have been sent to prison for fondling his sisters. But again since it seems to be the most super important issue to you I'll state that jail is not the appropriate punishment for a teen fondling his sisters.

And yes, Domestic violence is more common than society admits. But that's a problem, not an excuse as you seem to be using it. We're partly along the path to dealing with that problem. We've come a long way since the time when domestic violence was accepted behavior that the police and the courts at best ignored and more often condoned. But we still have a long way to go in dealing with the problem of domestic abuse. Your trivialization of that problem would take us back to the time when married women had no recourse in the face of abuse.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that the Duggar's handled this problem well. While they didn't completely ignore it by all accounts I've seen they handled it poorly. The mere fact that it happened again and again and again after it was reported over and over by the girls to their parents is evidence that at the very least they weren't paying sufficient attention to his behavior. Not much of a surprise since with 19 children to watch it's unlikely that any of them get sufficient attention.

Yes, psychological trauma can

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 29 May 2015 17:47:41 +0000

In reply to The girls had their breasts

Yes, psychological trauma can be predicted even though there are typical ranges that vary from victim to victim. This isn't magic or voodoo that we're supposed to stare agog at. I'm sure rape counselling centers can give you a pretty decent overview. I'm pretty sure if women were psychologically destroyed by being fondled inappropriately our species would have ceased some thousands of years ago.

The girls had their breasts

rmrd0000 — Fri, 29 May 2015 14:03:46 +0000

In reply to Oh please, getting your

The girls had their breasts and genitals "fondled". This happened while asleep and awake. The court records were destroyed so we don't know what fondling means. There is psychological trauma associated with getting your breasts and genitals fondled. The total impact on an individual can't be predicted. This seems obvious.

Please update your dictionary to 2.0. I don't find tolerating sexual abuse in my dictionary definition of Liberal.

Oh please, getting your

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 29 May 2015 13:28:37 +0000

In reply to There is no controversy about

Oh please, getting your breasts fondled is going to result in more trauma than forceable or coerced penetration, frequently in violent situations? yeah, everything=everything, I get it, we are all one, one can never know, yadda-yadda-all-come-free.

O'Reilly is an entertainer on TV. His on-air behavior may or may not reflect his real-life persona (shouting extroverted entertainers can be puppies off-stage, and quiet types can turn weird & aggressive when you're alone with them or piqued in some way, and even chronic loudmouths may not be physical at all). His lying obviously does, though is irrelevant to either harassment or domestic abuse, except for whether to believe his version.

I don't see what the trooper's porno bit has to do with Duggar and frankly what Duggar's actions have to do with his father's stances (except that the father seems to have dealt with it).

I just see a bunch of shit shoved in one bag, with the hope that it'll somehow hold together as a trend or storyline.

It typically bothers me that "liberals" frequently find excuses to obsess over other people's problems and personal lives. I thought part of being liberal and progressive was being tolerant and not too proscriptive or judgmental. Maybe I need to update my dictionary to 2.0.