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At that primal level, we can

barefooted — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 06:25:16 +0000

In reply to I don't think he's talking

At that primal level, we can't feel what we don't personally experience ourselves. Understanding and empathy may be the best we can hope for.

I don't think he's talking

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 05:52:07 +0000

In reply to Any reasonably intelligent

I don't think he's talking about "intelligence" or "relating" - I think he's referring to feeling it, the reptilian brain as Hunter S. Thompson refers to it.

To paraphrase what a Chinese

Verified Atheist — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 00:01:27 +0000

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To paraphrase what a Chinese friend told me when I asked him what the Chinese thought about George Bush, there are over 3.5 billion women in the world. I think it's difficult to accurately pinpoint the female experience. One woman's experience might be more "masculine" than the average man's, and one man's experience might be more "feminine" than the average woman's if we ever were able to quantify such a thing.

How many actually do this?

ocean-kat — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 23:48:32 +0000

In reply to And there are many feminists

How many actually do this? Not many.

And you know this because you've never even heard about the huge controversy over more than a dozen years over a music festival held in the state you live in. That's the kind of informed analysis I can trust.

Why so many comments saying the same thing over and over?

Because people keep commenting to me. Why is it ok for Troup to comment to me but wrong for me to comment to him. It was a back and forth with each making about the same number of comments. And I deliberately gave him the last word. Why are we talking? Because twice you initiated dialog with me. I dropped out of one sub=thread with you and let you have the last word and you started it up with me again in another sub-thread. When I reply to you there's something nefarious about it, when you initiate dialog with me and reply to my comments it's what?

I think this is another of

ocean-kat — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 23:31:30 +0000

In reply to Any reasonably intelligent

I think this is another of those disagreements over premis that can neither be refuted nor proven. You think I understand, I don't. You see I understand the male side viscerally, by both experience and by reading in later years. I understand the female side intellectually and that's a very different level of understanding. Some parts of the female experience are easy to grasp, others difficult to understand and some parts no matter how much I study and read I just don't get at all.

I think the same is true for a women's understanding of the male experience.

Any reasonably intelligent

barefooted — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 22:59:59 +0000

In reply to It wasn't just that she was a

Any reasonably intelligent adult would relate to both. You don't have to be a man to understand a young boy ogling a young girl's breasts, nor do you have to be a woman to relate to her embarrassment. You've proven that by your own statement.

By the way, don't be so hard on yourself. It's called growing up, and we all do it as awkwardly as humanly possible.

It wasn't just that she was a

ocean-kat — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 22:29:04 +0000

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It wasn't just that she was a beautiful Scandanavian type with long blond hair down to her ass. "Artists think the muse is feminine" is the way she put it.

You're missing the part where I posted, "is the way she put it." And that in the following paragraph I explained some of the ways I disagreed with the way she put it. I was responding to PP's statement, "I immediately thought that a female can get a partime waitressing job much easier than a male, as 1 slight advantage)" with nude modeling for artists as another slight advantage among all the disadvantages.

There will always be a few on the edge of any bell curve. I explained my views so often I just can't rehash it. I'll just say for me it's not any one point. It's the preponderance of the evidence.

Here's a story I'm embarrassed to tell. I'm ashamed of my behavior. I was about 14 and one of my female classmates came to class with a loose baggy shirt and no bra. I was consumed with lust, high on testosterone. I didn't just look, I leered, obviously, I tried to see down her shirt. I knew I was being rude but I couldn't tear my eyes away. Of course she noticed and with shock and reprimand in her voice she said, "Michael!" as she gathered in her baggy shirt and covered her breasts. I don't know why I remember these things.

I was 14, I plead youth. I learned quickly and that was the first and last time I behaved like such an ass. She was young too. Just developing female sexual characteristics. That might have been the first time she was so blatantly sexually objectified by a male. But for her it was certainly not the last. How did years of similar experiences affect her behavior, her clothing choices, her psyche.

Caitlyn says she was always a women in her brain. I wonder, if I shared this story with her would she relate to the lust filled boy I was or the sexually objectified girl?

Ya gotta problem with a boy

barefooted — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 22:15:18 +0000

In reply to But, but, but.... .... what

Ya gotta problem with a boy and his doll? Take it up with Christopher Robin.

And there are many feminists

Ramona — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 21:42:27 +0000

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And there are many feminists who aren't happy with Burkett and those who follow her line of thinking. They're out there in droves and they've made it known. You act as though she's the be-all and end-all of feminism. She isn't. Neither am I. Neither are you.

You use this as your argument:

What you don't get is to tell women who were born women what words they can use to refer to their female anatomy. You don't get to shut down feminist plays like the Vagina Monologues because you think "vagina" is exclusionary since you are a women and you don't have a vagina, you are a women with a penis. You don't get to decide for women and women's groups and feminist groups what women's issues are and how women should speak about them. You don't get to define what a women is and what a women thinks. You don't get to go to a women's college and you don't get to force your way into spaces set aside for women.

How many actually do this? Not many. Not enough to cause this kind of outrage. So what else is going on here? Why so many comments saying the same thing over and over? You say you and Burkett aren't against transgenders yet you use language that diminishes them, you cite examples that affect only a tiny portion of the transgender population and you tell me I'm "spouting off" if I dare to disagree with you.

I'm on to another subject now. You're on your own here.

But, but, but.... .... what

A Guy Called LULU — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 21:13:39 +0000

In reply to It wasn't just that she was a

But, but, but.... .... what if... ?

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