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Even church leaders are

rmrd0000 — Sat, 08 Aug 2015 18:14:47 +0000

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Even church leaders are noting the impact of BLM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-the-blacklivesmatter-movement-ch...

Congratulations on your

rmrd0000 — Sat, 08 Aug 2015 17:01:46 +0000

In reply to RE: You’re White and Marched With Dr. King: So What?

Congratulations on your grandson's accomplishment Eric

You and I never see eye to

tmccarthy0 — Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:16:28 +0000

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You and I never see eye to eye Eric, but I just read an article about your grandson Eric in our local newspaper... who knew he attended the same school my two youngest attended. The oldest attended ODea. Anyway, Eric's grandson is an amazing basketball player and there was an article in the paper about him today.

http://pugetsoundblogs.com/kitsap-preps/2015/08/07/south-kitsaps-wattree...

This is very awesome.. one of my children attends Eastern. Congratulations to your namesake.

The other reason a top heavy

rmrd0000 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 15:51:23 +0000

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The other reason a top heavy group would be a disaster is shown by South Carolina. There were groups attacking the Confederate flag. They were successful. While that was going on, other groups were attacking voter suppression, closing of HBCUs,, and healthcare issue. The ability of various factions to attack multiple issues is what keeps the corporatists off guard.

There will always be friction MLK knew the Voting Rights Act was important. Fannie Lou Hamer knew that getting representation in Mississippi was important. LBJ told MLK that if Hamer and the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party got seated, he would lose votes needed for the Voting Rights Act. A top heavy, single organization would have stalled. King backed off criticism of not seating all of Hamer's delegate. We got the Voting Rights Act.

The existence of factions gave King power he would not have otherwise had. LBJ knew that he had to give in on one of the black voting issues before him. The VRA won out 50 years ago. A single organization may have held fast and could have resulted in neither issue being deal with by Congress. Since only one group would have represented both the VRA and the black Mississippi Democrats, there was no problem with denying the wishes of one group. With King and Hamer operating separately, it would have been politically dis steroid for LBJ if both pleas were rejected.

I think history and the reality of politics makes a one stop organization for workers issues downright disastrous.

Let's say the single group

rmrd0000 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 15:06:51 +0000

In reply to Eric, tell me how your single

Let's say the single group decides that the best way to deal with these cases is to deal with economics. What happens when there is disagreement. Is a vote taken and those who want to focus on racial bias told to it down and be quiet because obviously attacking the greed of corporations will address the issue?

Who casts the deciding vote on what is going to happen? Is this going to be a leaderless mess? How are elections held?

Eric, tell me how your single

rmrd0000 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:51:04 +0000

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Eric, tell me how your single organization for justice for the working class would have dealt with the Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, Walter Scott, or Sam DuBose situation.

Eric

rmrd0000 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:36:22 +0000

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Eric

The factions are the working class. The factions are already educated. The reason that the Republicans spend so much time trying to suppress votes is that they know that they cannot win an election with a level playing field. The factions have pushed back by filing cases that wind up overturning harsh voter suppression laws. The factions fight back by risking their jobs to get a higher minimum wage for everyone. Women are helping Planned Parenthood fight back against an attack by Christianist misogynists. The Confederate flag was forced down by pressure brought by a faction.

The factions don't need re-education, they have already joined the battle. The factions will continue the battle even if neither Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders get elected. The factions are committed. For every issue that you are concerned about effecting the working class, there is a faction conducting a battle. The big all encompassing battle that you want is already being fought. A top-heavy single organization seeking justice for the working class would be mired in red tape. The factions are quick and nimble.

I don't see how you are missing the fact that people are tackling working class issues and winning. BLM addressing a rigged law enforcement and judicial system is a vital part of fighting for justice for the poor and the working class. Rigged police enforcement and judiciary system focus their wrath on the poor and working class.

BLM actually proves my point about the importance of factions. Sanders operated under the fantasy that addressing economics would address everything else. The fallacy is that the system is racially biased as well as economically biased. Wealth does not protect blacks from biased law enforcement. I would bet that you know economically secure black people who have had racially-charged interactions with the police. Ta-Nehisi Coates tells the story of the murder of Prince Jones by police. Prince Jones was the private-school educated son of a black female radiologist murdered in a case of mistaken identity by an undercover police officer. The officer was not in uniform and tracked Prince Jones in a case of mistaken identity. Prince Jones was killed by the officer. When the officer pulled a gun, Prince Jones tried to get away. Jones was murdered. There was no conviction. Race trumps economics. BLM forces Sanders to address the issue.

Eric, the justice you want is already being addressed. The American people need no re-education. The re-education is needed for Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and Martin O'Malley. The fractious nature of politics is the only way that everyone in the working class gains justice.

RM,

Wattree — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 04:54:05 +0000

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RM,

You've made my point much more eloquently than I ever could have. You've spent several paragraphs in two posts discussing politics, political candidates, and the challenges involved in satisfying the fractious nature of various political factions. I'm discussing justice for the American working class. There's a difference, but the American people (as a whole) are going to have to RE-EDUCATE themselves to see it.

The reason that I made a

rmrd0000 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:30:42 +0000

In reply to Eric,

The reason that I made a harsher argument is because there is another Sanders supporter suggesting that Sanders has a gender gap because of the bias of women. Sanders supporters cannot attack voters by calling them in need of education or gender-biased. A race-bias charge was brought against Obama supporters. The result was overwhelming black support for Obama. Talking condescendingly about educating blacks or gender bias in women will result in more support from those groups for Hillary Clinton.

The one requiring education is Bernie Sanders. He has to craft his message for different audiences. Their are some things blacks, women, union workers, students, Latinos, etc want to hear. He has to make clear that he understands different concerns. Sanders can run on a single "universal" message. Sanders can also lose groups that he needs.

Eric,

rmrd0000 — Thu, 06 Aug 2015 22:13:12 +0000

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Eric,

BLM is not Bernie Sanders only problem in the black community. Rank and file voters view him as not getting the memo. Hillary had to climb out of the fiasco she and Bill created with the black community in 2008. She has done a good job of that and has most of the black community behind her for 2016.

Sanders has changed the tone of his outreach to the black community. He now faces another test. He is headed to Liberty University to deliver a mandatory attendance speech, just like the on tends just gave. Will he tell the audience that black lives matter, or will he only try to reach out to pick up some white Conservative votes? If he goes for the white Conservatives, he feeds into the BLM meme that Sanders doesn't get it. Remember, Hillary realizes that the Democrats have a virtual lock on 240 electoral votes, and that she cannot win without majority minority support. Hillary also has the majority of Democratic women behind her.

Sanders faces a problem. If Hillary has black voters and women voters in her pocket, why is the message that the black community wanting their issues addressed is in need of education. Don't white women have to be educated as well? Why pick on BLM without attacking the National Organization of Women (NOW)? A message that political education is lacking in the black community, but things are OK with white women voters is a horrible theme for Sanders.

The bottom line is that Sanders is going to have to set his campaign message to appeal to specific audiences. If he crafts a one-size fits all campaign, he will lose. That is the education Sanders needs to gain to win election in the United States of America.

The other unspoken problem is that the early Sanders campaign has electability doubts like those of the early Obama campaign, but on steroids. Can a man labeled a Socialist win election in the United States? Winning in mainly white states like Iowa or New Hampshire will not protect Sanders from getting clobbered when the Primaries move to states with a more diverse population. If Sanders supporters state openly that those black voters who are not voting for Sanders need to be educated, kiss the Sanders campaign goodbye. If Sanders can't craft an inclusive message, that is his problem and indicates that he cannot communicate to a diverse audience. Heck, Obama had to communicate to black voters that he could get elected. Obama had to convince Latinos to vote for him. What makes Sanders different than Obama in making outreach?

The "population needs to be educated" theme is a cover for a campaign that doesn't understand what the differing communities want to hear. Sanders has to educate himself on how to craft his message so that the positive impact of his policies on individual lives can be understood.

The proposal that the black population needs to be educated is offensive and a losing strategy. BLM just called Sanders out. Hopefully he got the message. We will see how he performs at Liberty University.