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Well, I'm glad to see that

Peter Schwartz — Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:47:07 +0000

Well, I'm glad to see that there's real enthusiasm for Hillary. Given what feels to me like a lackluster or energy-less campaign, I was starting to despair. Not sure how those who follow these things closely feel, but we in the hinterland have been wondering where the hell she is.

It's been pretty clear to me that most people don't vote on the basis of "the issues," except in a vague sort of way. Most people don't understand the issues (e.g., TPP) and don't have anything but a bumper sticker opinion on them. So Hal's puzzlement that women seem to be doing this is puzzling to me.

The biggest point to me is that Bernie is untested in these shark-infested waters. Isn't this one of the drawbacks to Obama's presidency--a certain idealistic naivete about what happens when you become president? Having the best positions doesn't count for much. Anyone here could draw up a platform with the best positions. So what?

I suppose one way to test Bernie's effectiveness would be to look at his legislative record. For Congress, he's pretty far on the left. How much has he been able to get done?

Dealing with bullying issues

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:09:07 +0000

In reply to The underlining premise in

Dealing with bullying issues of late, it's very interesting how the pack aligns and how that means showing sympathy for the abused gets you bullied, while even the former-bullied can get accepted in the alpha's group (at least to some extent) by joining in the bullying of the new victim. I think this dynamic informs our politics, our cliques, etc.

I guess I need to speak up

Ramona — Sat, 15 Aug 2015 00:19:37 +0000

In reply to I'm with tmac. This

I guess I need to speak up here since I'm one of the four or five: While I think Hal delivered that anecdote clumsily, and while I don't agree with his attempt to tell women they shouldn't vote for Hillary, I don't see Hal as a misogynist. I see a Hillary-hater, but I don't necessarily see it as a sexist issue. It's possible to dislike Hillary without attributing part of it to the fact that she's a woman.

I've found Hal to be polite and respectful in all of his comments here, even while being attacked from all quarters. He has a right to air his opinions and we all have the right to respond, but this has now moved far away from the original thought and is heading into bashing territory.

I think it's time to stop.

The underlining premise in

ocean-kat — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 18:49:04 +0000

In reply to Michael - You raise two

The underlining premise in Hal's comments is that the only thing that happened is a couple of jokes about colored people's time, or jew bastard, of whatever misogynistic jokes he hinted at in the first comment. I don't believe it. Any boss so insensitive as to make such offensive "jokes" is surely creating at the very least an unpleasant work environment. It may not rise to the legal standard to be deemed a "hostile" work environment but it certainly would create an environment that was at least unpleasant. It spreads through the office. For example even though I wouldn't be the target of the joke I would be faced with the uncomfortable choice of laughing along to get along or confronting my boss for his racism or misogyny.

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A Guy Called LULU — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 18:29:19 +0000

In reply to " ...an example of a woman

" ...an example of a woman

kyle flynn — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 16:19:55 +0000

In reply to The problem is Mike, and I am

" ...an example of a woman who sucks and deserved any misogyny she got. "

Hal doesn't come close to writing that. I agree that some of his responses in this comments thread are ~~clumsy~~ ~~cringe worthy~~ lame, but your over the top mischaracterizations don't help.

I'm with tmac. This

barefooted — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 15:12:41 +0000

In reply to The problem is Mike, and I am

I'm with tmac. This particular post and some of his comments reinforce a suspicion I've tried to push aside, in fairness to Hal, for some time. It's not about Clinton or Sanders - there is an underlying theme to his writing that I cannot ignore any longer. And that, as they say, is that.

And the key is knowing when

Michael Maiello — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:28:59 +0000

In reply to Yes, we have all been there.

And the key is knowing when to let go.

It's okay to be wrong on the internet.

It's okay for other people to be wrong on the internet.

It's even okay to change your mind about stuff!

But, that all takes time.

I'd say it's time to move onto other topics... Not locking down the thread of anything, just suggesting that the relevant points have been made, and quite well. Both arguments have had their best hearings.

The problem is Mike, and I am

tmccarthy0 — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:27:54 +0000

In reply to Okay, we've all been here.

The problem is Mike, and I am addressing this to both of you, this particular blogger has in his past two blogs addressed women, and why women don't understand that Hillary Clinton shouldn't be president. To further his visceral hatred of Clinton he then brings in an example of a woman who sucks and deserved any misogyny she got. I and the four other women who hang out at Dag occasionally see someone who doesn't see women as equals. And he will use any absurdity to attempt to prove why women shouldn't be trusted and that they are just dumb for supporting Hillary Clinton.

I won't speak for all four of us, but damn does his anti-woman pro-Bernie post wreak of irony, and doubly so that apparently he really believes this stuff. He really believes we don't understand our own issues, he really thinks his example demonstrates how women are, you know we just take advantage of men, weakened by the law. Ugh.. I think Kat might be right about this giuy's MRA status, and that freaks me out to. MRA's don't respect women at all, they don't believe we are equals. I mean, what are we supposed to think about this blogger as women?

In short I don't believe he made a mistake in his reply I think that when people tell you who they are you should believe them. I'm pretty sure I know what this guy is saying to us, and it isn't that he respects women or our issues at all.

Yes, we have all been there.

Oxy Mora — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:21:00 +0000

In reply to Okay, we've all been here.

Yes, we have all been there. I'd just like to add that I appreciate the fact that Hal takes the time to write and puts his convictions out there. He is also very respectful of others.