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Well, there is always kicking

MrSmith1 — Sun, 20 Sep 2015 13:29:14 +0000

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Well, there is always kicking them in the ~~groin~~ shins.

Michael, I originally

Ramona — Sun, 20 Sep 2015 12:03:01 +0000

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Michael, I originally included a couple of paragraphs to make that distinction but decided to stick with the shameless as opposed to shaming. That's a whole other issue. I was going to use Anthony Weiner as an example of silly shaming, or women in general as misogynistic shaming, but it moved me away from my original intent. But it's a topic that would be interesting to explore.

I think there is a

MrSmith1 — Sun, 20 Sep 2015 02:35:29 +0000

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I think there is a distinction that needs to be made between people that do shameful things and people that have no shame. MM, you are referring to people that have done shameful things, got caught and society puts pressure on them to apologize publicly. They usually do those apologies because they hope to salvage whatever remains of their public life, not because they actually feel any remorse.

I believe Ramona is speaking of people that have the ability to lie or accuse or spread rumors with no feeling of remorse or care as to whether what they say is true or not. When they get caught, they simply continue on unfettered by society's disapproval.

How low can the GOP go??????

trkingmomoe — Sun, 20 Sep 2015 01:35:16 +0000

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How low can the GOP go??????

Generally, I view the problem

Michael Maiello — Sun, 20 Sep 2015 01:27:00 +0000

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Generally, I view the problem of shame the other way entirely. I think that people are far too often made to feel ashamed when they shouldn't be. When a politician gets caught having an affair, I always cringe when they apologize to anyone other than their spouse and even that, I think, is best handled in private.

We humans are mostly over-shamed, I think.

It's not so much that people

ocean-kat — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 23:03:00 +0000

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It's not so much that people like Trump are shameless. It's that the people around him aren't shaming him. I have little doubt that his circle of friends and acquaintances are telling him he has nothing to be ashamed of. And a significant portion of republican voters are telling him the same. Why should he care if people like you and I think he should spend a few months in solitude doing a little soul searching or at least hang his head in shame?

I think we just have to build

MrSmith1 — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 22:58:10 +0000

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I think we just have to build a bigger fence; one that surrounds them AND their sycophantic followers.

Wouldn't it be great if the

Ramona — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 22:42:00 +0000

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Wouldn't it be great if the shameless allowed themselves to be surrounded by people who would remind them of their shame? They don't. They won't. They're cowardly bullies who build a following of people who are a lot like them. Nobody breaks through those barriers. They keep the barriers up as insulation against us, and they try to convince us we're all POS before we can reverse the thought. The problem is, the more famous or powerful they are, the more able they are to build up a following of toadies who will do anything to keep their little society going.

I'm tired of bullies. I'm tired of people who don't let shame get in the way of whatever it is they want to do. We can't change them. They like the way they are. But we can change how we deal with them. First, we have to recognize that we can't shame them into doing things our way. We have to keep shame out of the equation while we work on some other vulnerability.

At least I'm guessing that's the way it'll have to work. ;)

I think the way you shame the

MrSmith1 — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 22:02:30 +0000

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I think the way you shame the shameless is to encircle them in the shame of others. You turn them into pariahs. You isolate them by having the people around them feel shame for them. You force them to become surrounded by the shame being felt for them by the rest of society. That is the only way to deal with the shameless; depend on the empathy for feeling shame in the rest of the world, and stoke that feeling by never letting the world forget the person's shameful behavior. Either that or you spend ~~a great~~ ~~deal~~ an inordinate amount of time with the shameful person tied to a chair while you ~~force~~ teach them the meaning of shame.