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I think that if you don't

Οὖτις — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 12:45:09 +0000

In reply to Two opportunities ... Where are Progressive voices?

I think that if you don't already realize the need for the EPA, then you might just be applauding VW's attempts to cheat the system. (Same probably goes for price-gouging — capitalism at its finest!) It hurts my head to try to think like them, but I can imagine that could be the response on the right.

I'm not sure I can trust the

Peter — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:15:32 +0000

In reply to Of the 4 vehicles tested on

I'm not sure I can trust the experts at the Beast about 'worst offenders' because none of the other Car Co's have been shown to be shutting off their emissions equipment or cheating. VW management colluded to defrauded their customers not just the EPA and those who have to breathe their emissions.

The Car Co's have made amazing progress in cleaning up the emissions from the internal combustion engine including diesels along with bringing back performance to gas engines along with improved economy. The EPA's mandates required this improvement and they helped develop them but like much else in our world there are flaws in the system.

Give an engineer a challenge and he/she will try to meet that challenge but the bean-counters that run these Co's have a different reward system that leads to this type of fraud.

Of the 4 vehicles tested on

rmrd0000 — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:16:02 +0000

In reply to Two opportunities ... Where are Progressive voices?

Of the 4 vehicles tested on the road, only BMW passed the test. There are worst offenders than VW. On-road testing exposed massive emissions from the cars of multiple manufacturers.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/25/vw-isn-t-even-the-worst...

Thx

rmrd0000 — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 22:23:32 +0000

In reply to I have read the cars were 4

Thx

I have read the cars were 4

NCD — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 20:40:44 +0000

In reply to The bigger question that now

I have read the cars were 4 cylinder diesels, 4 cylinder diesels apparently have crappy pick up with all emission controls engaged, so disengage it and sell more cars it seems.

The question is also how high up in the company did this devious sneaky software scam go?

The fault lies with Congress.

NCD — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 20:36:44 +0000

In reply to Another nice try but more BS,

The fault lies with Congress, although if you look at the details it would be difficult to uncover this scam.

Even the ICCT which discovered the cheat were using the $50k grant to examine how great the VW diesel engine was compared to gas cars!

Even the guy, coincidentally named John GERMAN from ICCT, thought the VW cars were 'cleaner than other cars' and did the test on the VW to prove it, was shocked when road tests, driving from San Diego to Seattle proved otherwise.

The EPA tests have not been done under highway conditions as highway traffic and conditions vary with driver, highway and traffic. They are done in a lab to control these variables.

The EPA acted and investigated once the ICCT noted the errant results of their driving tests on highways.

8 years of Dubya did shake

NCD — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 20:35:13 +0000

In reply to I don't agree. I think there

8 years of Dubya did shake them up quite a lot, which is why they formed the 'new improved real conservative Republican' Tea Party to begin with.

You are probably right that some may come around to Bernie.

The bigger question that now

rmrd0000 — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 20:18:18 +0000

In reply to Another nice try but more BS,

The bigger question that now exists is what is wrong with VW vehicles that would cause the company to go to the expense to use software in every vehicle to cheat the standard test.

I understand the problem with

MrSmith1 — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 20:08:50 +0000

In reply to Nice try but the EPA and CARB

I understand the problem with the ACA, but, at the time, they needed the support of big Pharma to get the bill passed and that was the price, so they made a deal with the devil and that brought us to where we are today. Now it's time to un-couple from that part of the agreement and go after the price-gougers and bring the pharmaceutical industry under control.

I don't agree. I think there

MrSmith1 — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 20:03:16 +0000

In reply to The sad reality is it will be

I don't agree. I think there are certain issues on which they can be persuaded. I think some of them can have their fears calmed. How? By interacting with them and offering reasonable alternative explanations. Just because they bought into the fear, doesn't mean they like being there. A lot of them just don't hear any alternative viewpoints. All they hear is the drone of Fox News. I know it sounds crazy, but I think, with some effort, there are issues where they could support a candidate like Bernie Sanders.