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Neil plays well with others.

moat — Fri, 06 Nov 2015 02:41:43 +0000

In reply to Come on, Dick - even you know

Neil plays well with others.
Here is something from half way back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRVgM9eOZ2A

The never connected 'dots' on

NCD — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 21:25:24 +0000

In reply to Pericles, this is excellent.

The never connected 'dots' on the anthrax attacks:

Richard Cohen, WaPo reporter in Slate, March 2008:

The attacks were not entirely unexpected. I had been told soon after Sept. 11 to secure Cipro, the antidote to anthrax. The tip had come in a roundabout way from a high government official, and I immediately acted on it. I was carrying Cipro way before most people had ever heard of it.

White House 'precautions':

As "a precaution" Cipro was administered to Dick Cheney and his close staff on the evening of 9/11 as the Vice President was secreted off to an undisclosed location, days before the first anthrax letters were mailed...

George W. Bush State of the Union Address 2002:

Iraq continues to flaunt its hostility toward America and to support terror. The Iraqi regime has plotted to develop anthrax and nerve gas and nuclear weapons for over a decade.

George W. Bush SOU 2003 ( 2 months pre-invasion of Iraq):

The United Nations concluded in 1999 that Saddam Hussein had biological weapons sufficient to produce over 25,000 liters of anthrax, enough doses to kill several million people. He hasn't accounted for that material. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed it.

National Academy Sciences reviews FBI case against the dead government scientist Mr. Ivins as the 'lone nut' responsible:

The NAS committee released its report on February 15, 2011, concluding that it was "impossible to reach any definitive conclusion about the origins of the anthrax in the letters, based solely on the available scientific evidence".[174] The report also challenged the FBI and U.S. Justice Department's conclusion that a single-spore batch of anthrax maintained by Ivins at his laboratory at Fort Detrick in Maryland was the parent material for the spores in the anthrax letters.

Jesse Ventura has noted huge and fateful American political/war connected events and assassinations of major political figures are almost always passed off as being perpetrated by 'lone nuts', if dead, so much the better, they'll never stand trial and be able to defend themselves.

I'm no genius on the topic -

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 15:47:35 +0000

In reply to Pericles, this is excellent.

I'm no genius on the topic - would simply like more thorough exploration of what we do know, more curiosity about understanding what really happened. In October 2001, some was mailing anthrax to different public figures and we never solved it (except to blame it on a scientist who killed himself, but he couldn't have had access. This was military-grade anthrax - yet case closed and forgotten. I'm not looking to dive straight into conspiracy hot buttons - I'm mostly interested in the indisputable mundane stuff - How did that happen, why, could it happen again? The longer we wait, the more that's forgotten, witnesses die off, etc

Pericles, this is excellent.

CVille Dem — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 15:16:56 +0000

In reply to Post-trauma Disorder: none dare call it conspiracy?

Pericles, this is excellent. Thanks for posting. Conspiracy theories get debunked because people want to believe otherwise. The 911 coverup is ugly. But true. I think you pulled what is known quite well.

I'd like to see more if you feel like it. I don't really want to read each book. I'm reading Richard Clarke's now and it's pretty upsetting.

Well, I'm sure he had

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 06:54:11 +0000

In reply to Poppy Bush has a few things

Well, I'm sure he had marvelous things to say about little shrub, and choosing the worst of Poppy's team to drive his own hardly recommends his judgment. Wonder if George Sr. ever stood back to think how the father-son rivalry escalated into a revenge presidency visiting some of the worst policy decisions on the history of the country. It appears that despite being a fairly good president, George Sr.'s worst policy decision was whether to have a particular child. Fortunately the other one in line is a bit too foppish to make the cut amount renegade "Lost Boys" nor can he rise above the damage of the supposed heroics of his now infamous brother.

Meanwhile, incurious George paints a picture in Waco. How nice.

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barefooted — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 06:50:20 +0000

In reply to Yes, what a tenuous grip we

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Poppy Bush has a few things

barefooted — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 06:38:12 +0000

In reply to Post-trauma Disorder: none dare call it conspiracy?

Poppy Bush has a few things to say in an upcoming biography by Jon Meacham. Apparently, little George wasn't served well by those in his inner circle.

In interviews with his biographer, Mr. Bush said that Mr. Cheney had built “his own empire” and asserted too much “hard-line” influence within George W. Bush’s White House in pushing for the use of force around the world. Mr. Rumsfeld, the elder Mr. Bush said, was an “arrogant fellow” who could not see how others thought and “served the president badly.”

Thanks for clearing that up.

NCD — Wed, 04 Nov 2015 21:02:02 +0000

In reply to 9/11 wasn't a Saudi operation

Thanks for clearing that up. Saudi hijackers, Saudi money, Saudi intelligence agents paying for US lodging and expenses for Saudi hijackers, but not a "Saudi operation". Senator Graham put Saudi Arabia into the title of his book for a number of reasons, none of which were 'philosophical' in nature. But direct financial support, communication and physical meetings/contact between officials of the Saudi intelligence services and hijackers.

For anyone who harbors doubts that 9/11 was set in motion by 19 disgruntled 'loner' Wahhabi McVeigh's, I would suggest reading Senator Graham's book, containing the facts and conclusions from his Senate investigation.

9/11 wasn't a Saudi operation

ocean-kat — Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:11:45 +0000

In reply to Post-trauma Disorder: none dare call it conspiracy?

9/11 wasn't a Saudi operation anymore than McVeigh was an American or a republican operation. One can draw connections from right wing extremism to McVeigh's philosophy and motivations just as one can draw connections from Saudi support of Wahhabism to 9/11. But 9/11 wasn't official or even non-official policy of the Saudi government.

Man this is one hell of a

Richard Day — Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:20:21 +0000

In reply to Come on, Dick - even you know

Man this is one hell of a presentation!

Is this Blues/Metal?

Thank you I never heard this before.

You know, Dylan and Young never had voices. But damn,they ended up voices for many generations!