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The study looks at past years

trkingmomoe — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:42:15 +0000

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The study looks at past years. A health care system that was only for those who could pay the high fees could also be a reason.

Thanks, Moat. That pattern of

Oxy Mora — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:41:51 +0000

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Thanks, Moat. That pattern of loading people up can be deadly.

Diet drinks seem to be super

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:20:06 +0000

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Diet drinks seem to be super unhealthy - why it's taken so long to figure out, i dunno.

Well I didn't express myself

moat — Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:05:08 +0000

In reply to Moat, thanks for your

Well I didn't express myself very well. I meant that having certain kinds of jobs might be a factor in the self destructive causes of death cited in the study. That having would include the environment of the work place, of course. But I was thinking of how so many people I know seem to be expected to maintain high levels of production for long periods of time with steadily declining levels of support. My industry tends to concentrate responsibility as much as possible. This makes it difficult to delegate tasks and train other people to share the load. That stress could add to the effects of substance abuse or contribute to increased levels of consumption.

Considering the other stressors mentioned here and in the linked articles, I can appreciate how difficult it would be to design a study that would separately account for all the possible influences.

Partly I'm going on some arm

Oxy Mora — Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:09:27 +0000

In reply to Lulu, great reference. The

Partly I'm going on some arm chair research and what my ever lovin eyes tell me when I go into the local markets and shops here in rural Texas. There are just tons of very unhealthy looking thirty and forty year olds---many of them dragging along giant soda's (not egg creams) , huffing and puffing, stacking the carts full of chips and dip. If any of them listens to Hal or Rachel Maddow I would eat another Snickers bar---(yeah, the Race Trac cashier said, we're sellin a lot of those).

Much obliged.

Oxy Mora — Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:55:51 +0000

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Much obliged.

Lulu, great reference. The

Oxy Mora — Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:55:08 +0000

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Lulu, great reference. The hippies, yes, got off to a very bad start.

And that's a Franzen kind of insight---that Russian males got healthier when the price of vodka went up. And it brings up a host of potential contradictions---like wall to wall pot.

And it brings up a point which I will mention before someone else does---I haven't actually made the case that the people who are dying are the ones caught in the trap. My impression is that they are concentrated in the red states and I'd eat one of the new 2 lb. Snickers bars if they had any affinity for Democrats, and didn't watch Fox News for a good part of the day---but that isn't proof. I have to recheck the actual survey data.

Perfect, pp. Thanks.

Oxy Mora — Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:42:51 +0000

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Perfect, pp. Thanks.

I really like this... after

tmccarthy0 — Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:24:29 +0000

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I really like this... after work today, I will come back and comment!

From Digby - ah look at all

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:38:20 +0000

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From Digby - ah look at all the ~~lonely~~ happy people:

For Dick - what the hell? they shrunk the Orchestra!

Guess it just needs a piano

Maybe part of the problem is people expecting to be center stage and not accepting support roles, raised on exceptionalism? These ladies don't look too unhappy, just part of society as a whole - even in Cuba they seem happy. What's wrong with us?

[section on Sweet Home Alabama at 58:30 is worth the price of admission all by itself, but much much more]