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Hal, you cherry-pick data

rmrd0000 — Fri, 29 Apr 2016 02:04:15 +0000

In reply to I'm trying to understand you

Hal, you cherry-pick data

Once again, I will send you the full context of Obama's statements about single-payer. Please note the parts where he talks about the fact that we had a health care system in place prior to Obamacare. Single-payer was not an option that he supported.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/campaigning-on-single-payer/

CVille Dem — Fri, 29 Apr 2016 01:43:06 +0000

In reply to I don't think I dismantled

Evidence and well-reasoned arguments always do the trick.

What trick, Hal? Do you mean that if you have evidence and well-reasoned arguments (which you claim to have), you can always convince others that your way is the right way? People who come here are thoughtful, and we all take the time to read before we form opinions. How many of us have you convinced with your "well-reasoned" arguments, etc, etc,,etc?

That comment, that "evidence and blah blah blah blah" reminds me of the typical dialogue we saw in "Leave It To Beaver." Unfortunately for you, Bernie Sanders is the current Eddie Haskell.

Synch, just curious...was it

CVille Dem — Fri, 29 Apr 2016 01:27:46 +0000

In reply to NO! In fact, I am NOT

Synch, just curious...was it you who had an arm injury a few years ago (back when TPM was more like this site?), and missed a lot of work? Just trying again to find out.

Look at the curve. It took 2

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 17:49:49 +0000

In reply to If "starting over" means

Look at the curve. It took 2 years to pass ACA, and another 4-5 to kick in. That's as "immediately" as we can get. Your "outcome" is wishful thinking. It ain't gonna happen, and any time and political capital wasted on it takes away from needed work on police reform, new energy / global warming, winning legislatures, etc. Fix it in 20 years if it's still bothering you.

If "starting over" means

HSG — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 17:29:16 +0000

In reply to Don't know why we're even

If "starting over" means passing universal single-coverage then everybody would be covered, we would spend less money, and have a healthier populace immediately. Why exactly is it you oppose this outcome?

We're not starting from

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:19:14 +0000

In reply to Universal single payer is the

We're not starting from scratch. Case closed.

I'm trying to understand you

HSG — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:57:00 +0000

In reply to Cut the crap

I'm trying to understand you RMRD. As your own cite shows, the President has said on a number of occasions that he thinks single-payer ultimately makes the most sense. Even if he never said it, single-payer would still make the most sense. Through 2014, 32.3 million Americans remained uninsured. These are mostly poor and near-poor people in the south and west. Despite (because of?) the Affordable Care Act, we spend much more per person on healthcare than other countries to get worse results.

No other advanced country even comes close to the United States in annual spending on health care, but plenty of those other countries see much better outcomes in their citizens' actual health overall.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/08/us-health-care-spending-is-high-results-a... Yet you insist Sanders supporters abandon their call for single-payer before you agree to work with them to try to make our country more progressive.

Don't know why we're even

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:50:25 +0000

In reply to Universal single payer is the

Don't know why we're even discussing this.

What Obama has done is working. Not the "cheapest most efficient"? Sue him.

There're still 30-35 million uninsured, but the trend's in the right direction: 16 million more insured. Start over? Hardly.

Note 15% buy their own insurance, 20% get it through Medicaid.

I had a guy replace me one time as I transferred overseas. Instead of focusing on new tasks, he spent most of his time redoing things I'd done to put his stamp on them. Was his better? Hell if I know. Was it needed? No.

Cut the crap

rmrd0000 — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 02:36:56 +0000

In reply to Universal single payer is the

Cut the crap

Here is a link to the full context of statements Obama made about single-payer

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/16/barack-ob...

Universal single payer is the

HSG — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 02:13:07 +0000

In reply to Early reports suggest that

Universal single payer is the cheapest most efficient way to deliver healthcare. It leads to better outcomes at a lower cost. It's better than Obamacare. Obama himself said if you started from scratch it's what you'd pick.