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Blacks students at 37

rmrd0000 — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 02:04:40 +0000

In reply to I don't see social media as

Blacks students at 37 colleges and universities used social media to seek that their respective administrations take action to end racism on school campuses. Social media does not require MSM to take action.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/schools-nationwide-stand-in-solidari...

During the summer I caught an

rmrd0000 — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 14:21:12 +0000

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During the summer I caught an interview on CNN with Don Lemon interviewing a member of BLM. The BLM member wanted to focus on police shooting of unarmed blacks. Lemon acknowledged the problem but wondered why BLM did not focus on crime in the black community. BLM noted that the community was speaking on on crime in their neighborhoods. The next guest was Montell Williams Lemon and Williams enjoyed themselves by noting that BLM did not focus on urban crime.

From the standpoint of Lemon he was doing in-depth journalism. From BLM's standpoint, it was another wasted effort in going on MSM.The topic BLM came to discuss was a side issue. Social media allows communication from BLM to go directly to people focused on police abuse. They can get their message out more efficiently via social media.

Groups focused on crime in black communities contact their activists via social media. MSM does not cover the protests against crime and murder that occurs in the black community. Lemon does not take the time to address the issue he criticizes BLM of ignoring.At the end of the day activity in black communities is covered poorly by MSM. It may be that young activists ignore MSM and object to MSM presence because the activists do not feel the media is going to do a good job anyway.

The Million Man March 2015 went on without MSM attention. Social media, black media websites, and black black radio carried the events. MSM was worthless.

You may be correct about MSM

rmrd0000 — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:00:22 +0000

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You may be correct about MSM as a requirement. I wonder if the younger generation sees that it can spread protests via social media without what they view as biased media. Black Lives Matter and the spread of college protests by black students spread without a large amount of help from MSM.

The other issue is that small groups often initiate change despite opposition from MSM. Vietnam protestors and the Civil Rights movement were not viewed favorably by media early on. For the Civil Rights movement, images of water hoses and dogs being used on children changed the dynamic. That message was carried by media of the day. Today, we get images like that of a police officer shooting an unarmed man in the back in North Charleston because of a camera on a cell phone. MSM plays the more passive role of reporting an event captured by a non-journalist. Times may have already changed, especially in minority community. MSM is no where to be found for many events.

I don't see social media as

barefooted — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 05:54:09 +0000

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I don't see social media as the be all end all, at least for the foreseeable future. Like it or not, it's still important to spread whatever the point may be to the masses, and preaching to the choir on Facebook and Twitter won't do it. If anything, it makes the argument less legitimate in the eyes of the country when it's portrayed as an internet meme. And most issues deserve better than that.

Clearly they have valid points to be made; points that only they can make. But attempting to outline the playing field doesn't help. Everyone needs to understand, so that means reaching everyone.

They are young and will

rmrd0000 — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 05:27:04 +0000

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They are young and will either decide to develop skills geared to MSM or just use social media. The student march group may just fade away. My take away point is that MSM may not be the way important information is passed by activists in the future. MSM will be considered even more suspect because the media will complain about lack of access and freedom of the press and fail to develop skills to do journalism via social media.

Edit to add:

BLM Minneapolis had a horrible interview after their protest at the state fair in Minneapolis this summer. The protest was famous for the pigs in a blanket chant. During interviews the leaders dismissed the chant as a joke and made themselves appear foolish.,Yet here we have the same group calling for a broader investigation and able to generate enough supporters to be recognized despite rejecting MSM. These young activists may not be hampered by a lack of interview skills with MSM.

Obviously, there is an argument that they should know something about approaching interviews from the Daily Show and perhaps Bill Mahrer.

(Note: BLM got recognition for mounting the protest. I don't know Minneapolis well enough to know if other forces were at work to get a Federal investigation rolling.)

According to the article, she

barefooted — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 03:57:41 +0000

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According to the article, she volunteered to go on air as the spokesperson. I agree that most MSM online media is suspect at times, but I don't think blaming WaPo in this instance makes sense. And as was pointed out, don't you think it's necessary for those with a point to make it? Do you think young people should be given an allowance in that regard if they expect to be taken as seriously as their cause might demand?

If they don't want media coverage, they shouldn't a) volunteer/agree to be on television, and b) expect to spread their effort beyond the social media choir.

This interview was on Fox

rmrd0000 — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 03:48:31 +0000

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This interview was on Fox Business. It was not going to go well.Note that the LSU student newspaper called the interview shameful. Old media is not trusted or respected by many young people. They can have activism occur without a filter via social media. The WaPo, for example, might go broke if it depended on young readership for revenue.

Edit to add:

Black Lives Matter Minneapolis led a protest requesting a Federal investigation into the police shooting of an unarmed black man. The Mayor asked for a Federal investigation. One of the things that went on during the protest was that BLM asked that the protesters not speak to MSM. Some young activists view MSM as biased.

http://www.startribune.com/black-lives-matter-wants-video-of-man-s-shoot...

I found this Washington Post

barefooted — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 03:10:20 +0000

In reply to University Unrest - It's Complicated

I found this Washington Post article about a recent TV interview with a "Million Student March" activist interesting. It apparently didn't go well, but the piece focuses more on how it could have - should have - gone if the interaction between media and young people's activism were better.

edit to add: A better student spokesperson would help. Nothing is as important when you're trying to make a point as knowing what your point is and how to effectively argue it.

Thanks Richard. Good link!

HSG — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 01:59:14 +0000

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Thanks Richard. Good link!

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Richard Day — Wed, 18 Nov 2015 23:30:25 +0000

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