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Lulu, Thank you for providing

moat — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 20:07:37 +0000

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Lulu, Thank you for providing the rant space. I have been mulling this stuff for some time.

I like the simplicity of your

moat — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 02:29:11 +0000

I like the simplicity of your first paragraph. We are all responsible for what we do. Those Islamic absolutists included.

But the second paragraph is a pat justification for bad things. You are a smart person. Check it out. I am not going to help you.

It might seem an overly

NCD — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 01:57:46 +0000

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It might seem an overly simple conclusion, I think the Muslim perpetrators are responsible for the crimes they commit.

Putin did what he had to with Chechnya, that's why Chechens are raising trouble everywhere but Russia recently.

It sounds like you know who

moat — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 01:03:05 +0000

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It sounds like you know who is at fault. Please explain.

I wasn't exonerating anybody with my account. If that is what you heard then I have not spoken well enough. It wouldn't be the first time.

Since you two are so wise at

NCD — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 00:29:32 +0000

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Since you two are so wise at dissecting truth and geopolitics, who is at fault for al Qaeda and boko Haram terrorists engaging in massacres of people and raping school girls in Somalia, Nigeria, Mali, Kenya, Sudan ?

On Robert Parry, he has had some good stuff over the years, but he can go off the deep end.

He is still is talking on one of the links about 'Ukraine may have shot down MH-17'. An unnamed intelligence official who Parry talked said some super secret stuff about we did not have all the pictures we should have of Russian missile launchers, or blah blah leading to concocting a bizarre scheme that Ukraine hit the plane to make Russia look bad.

Reality check.

The dead bodies and plane fell on the rebels, gravity tells me they are the shooters, as when a plane blows up, it doesn't travel very far.

Media, pundits and gov't may lie, gravity doesn't. In this case I go with gravity.

And there were also pages and pages of reports from Holland to Malaysia on rebels rifling thru belongings of the dead, blocking access of Dutch investigators to the site and using cell phones of passengers - relatives back in Holland received calls from their dead relatives phones -meaning they were either used by rebels or sold by rebels as rebels controlled the wreck site.

If the rebels didn't do it, why block the investigation? Why act like irresponsible criminals? Maybe because that is what they are.

Thanks Moat, my experience

A Guy Called LULU — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 23:20:52 +0000

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Thanks Moat, my experience reading comments here at Dag inclines me to expect from you a response in which intelligence works with knowledge . That is why I prodded you to explain a bit and you didn't disappoint.

I didn't use a question mark

moat — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 22:13:25 +0000

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I didn't use a question mark because I meant for the sentence to be a paraphrase of some of the article's content. Rhetorical questions are just that. I will say more about this content but first want to say this:

Our MSM is not building an informed electorate. Sometimes it tells outright lies to influence public opinion. Most of the time, however, it gets the results it is looking for by merely oversimplifying a narrative or event. How people get referred to as complicit or not in an action or the events leading up to an action is the principal method for taking discrete elements and blending them into an easily digestible smoothie that tastes a certain way.

I take your point that the Armstrong piece reflects a world view that mirrors the way the "solidarity" world-view stabs fingers at the defects of other people while ignoring its own. I hear Armstrong's hint of self-awareness of this by calling it a "one-pager." But my pursuit of different points of view than my own has caused me to lose interest in such complete explanations. More mirrors won't increase the number of who are well informed.

Now, back to complicating things. When Armstrong said, "None of this means a thing and won't until we start to hear about the role of Wahhabism in all this, where it comes from and who spreads it", I nodded head in agreement and rang the cowbell. The role the Wahhabi sect played in the formation of the Saudi state and continues to do so today is key to going beyond the most superficial accounts of the region. But the buzz kill was only a few words away when Armstrong says, Washington and its allies cannot support jihadists in one place and expect to control them in another. I suppose he could be making a sly reference to the fact the U.S. is entangled with Saudi Arabia but the casual generality more directly brands all Sunni Muslims carrying a gun as being the same people with the same goals. You don't have to travel to Moscow for this smoothie. The same product is available throughout the lands of the "solidarity" theater. While Saudi Arabia has made great efforts in blood and money to distribute its interpretation of Islam, it is also at war with the fruit of its labor. Al Qaeda and Daesh are at war with the house of Saud. To have the Wahhabi stand for all Salafi is a mistake. To have all Sunni stand with the Salafi is a mistake. If people want to talk like Bernard Lewis and argue how it is all one dish, that is fine. They should knock themselves out. But there are real people in real time that cannot be accounted for by that reckoning. Those real people are the ones fighting or running away from the conflict.

Here is another complication to consider. The expansion of the Salafi sect in Russia can be closely correlated to the groovy way Moscow dealt with Islam over last several decades. (longer than that but that is too complicated) The article is rather dry and was selected because dipping from the sources narrating the Sufi end of the stick would change the subject being discussed on the level of Kipling's "Great Game"

A parting observation:
Perhaps Armstrong's observation that the regime change programs embarked upon by previous Coalitions of the Willing lack excellence should be compared to how the USSR taking over Afghanistan was not the best thing that ever happened to all involved.

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A Guy Called LULU — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:38:05 +0000

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I want to thank you for the

trkingmomoe — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:26:17 +0000

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I want to thank you for the link. I read it this morning and followed many of the links to other articles.

I agree with the CNN journalist's tweet. Lady Liberty did hang her head in shame.

Along those same lnes:

A Guy Called LULU — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:50:22 +0000

In reply to Moat, I'm glad you read and

Along those same lines:

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/20/cnns-punishment-of-refugee-defending...