dagblog - Comments for "The Case for Hillary Clinton: Health Care Policy Experience"

Hey Hal...

oldenGoldenDecoy — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:31:00 +0000

In reply to Homophobia is more pronounced

Hal...

See my response down thread here...

Tue, 12/15/2015

~OGD~

For Hal from unthread . . .

oldenGoldenDecoy — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:24:16 +0000

In reply to The Case for Hillary Clinton: Health Care Policy Experience

For Hal from unthread . . .

Note... the words "causal" "inferences" and "implied" in these studies you cited...

Parental Autonomy Support and Discrepancies Between Implicit and Explicit Sexual Identities:Dynamics of Self-Acceptance and Defense - Netta Weinstein - 01/2012

Any other Peer Reviews on that one study other than this initial publication in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology?

Now... please note my bold highlighted sections in the following from the study:

Page: 829 - Limitations and Future Directions

There are several limitations of this study that should be addressed in future research. First, these studies were conducted on college students no longer though relatively recently) living with their parents. It may be helpful to test these effects in younger adolescents still living in the home and in older adults who have spent a longer time away from parents’ influence. Such samples could help identify the extent to which perceived parental styles vary with identity discrepancy and intolerance, as well as how more proximal social contexts impact these outcomes.

Additionally, given the correlational nature of many of the present findings, causal and developmental inferences cannot be reliably made.

Though evidence examining developmental lines and stable self-identities may be difficult to attain, experimental studies that introduce threatening self relevant information might help to support the causal model implied in these studies.

--end snip--

The important part: "...causal and developmental inferences cannot be reliably made."

Even in the original link you provided the following is written right at the top.

Is some homophobia self-phobia? - Science Daily

Nothing is set in stone,

~OGD~

So am I a self-hating gay or

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:35:58 +0000

In reply to Homophobia is more pronounced

So am I a self-hating gay or a homophobe or both?

How authoritarian do my parents need to be?

(I thought enjoying the spankings would be *acknowledging* my attraction, no?)

I studied flamboyance in college, but still came out closeted, I guess. "More panache!!!", as my glamour prof would tell me. "This isn't cruising 101, this is the *Theater*, the catwalk of life!!!"

Who deflected?

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:14:31 +0000

In reply to Actually it was PP who

Who deflected?

You proved somehow that people are afraid of Hillary?

She has gone out of her way to court labor - I don't think just the bosses - along with a mass of other endorsements. She has more endorsements than any Democratic candidate ever. Isn't that good?

And by "cozy", do you mean they take jacuzzi baths in candlelight together, trade packs of unmarked bills, or simply share liberal union values?

And she's leading the national polls by 25% - are all these pro-supporters simply bosses, or could there be a few unwashed masses in there?

And since you say "demonstrably worse for working people", please show me that "demonstrably" link. And if she's been such a witch, how come so many are supporting her? Not that many can be on the take, can they? oh wait, becuase they're afraid, verrrry afraid.

Actually it was PP who

HSG — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:40:19 +0000

In reply to There's a 57 step program

Actually it was PP who deflected but since you agree with her unqualified support of HC, you criticized me. I provided two very plausible reasons that many unions have endorsed HC even though HC is pro-corporate/anti-labor: 1) they're afraid of her and 2) she and the bosses have a cozy relationship. Nothing PP wrote undermined this point, therefore, I properly questioned her support for the candidate who has demonstrably been worse for working people.

Homophobia is more pronounced

HSG — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:36:53 +0000

In reply to Oh my my my . . .

Homophobia is more pronounced in individuals with an unacknowledged attraction to the same sex and who grew up with authoritarian parents who forbade such desires, a series of psychology studies demonstrates. The study is the first to document the role that both parenting and sexual orientation play in the formation of intense fear of homosexuals.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120406234458.htm

So you do get that she ain't

HSG — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:34:10 +0000

In reply to No, that's not what you said

So you do get that she ain't so great yet you lash out at anybody who points this out. Q.E.D.

Oh my my my . . .

oldenGoldenDecoy — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 01:14:08 +0000

In reply to Yeah that's what I said.

Oh my my my...

I'm waiting for you Hal to expand on and provide a clearer explanation on what really constitutes the following description:

"...a self-hating gay..."

Is that anything along the lines of a self-loathing lawyer syndrome?

I'm all ears.

~OGD~

There's a 57 step program

barefooted — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 05:42:29 +0000

In reply to No, that's not what you said

There's a 57 step program that I'm sure Hal can point you to - he's a glorified graduate of "How To Deflect An Argument".

No, that's not what you said

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 05:17:28 +0000

In reply to Yeah that's what I said.

No, that's not what you said - you're claiming either unions are afraid of HIllayr's "vindictiveness" (yeah, she's Joe Stalin in drag - fear the purges!!!) or buddies up with union bosses but has "done little for the rank and file". Except that those national polls don't measure union bosses - they measure total popular support (within some margin of error). So unless there are more chiefs than indians, some of the rank and file supports Hillary pretty well - why's that? could it be the claim that "she's been or will be a better friend than Bernie Sanders" isn't so implausible?

And yes, I'm a self-hating closeted gay and a self-hating closeted Jew and a self-hating closeted black man and a self-hating closeted transgender feminist. Glad I could get all that out in the open, but I'll still keep my self-hating libido - it's such an essential part of me.

"Maybe there's a barely conscious or subconscious doubt in your mind that she's the best choice for America. Could it be that you fear the powerful progressive case against Clinton has merit and therefore you fight triply hard against it "

Yeah, you got me Hal - I don't post articles about Hillary's mess of a problem from overthrowing Qaddafi or her shitty "let's study it some more" approach to marijuana or her trying to weaken encryption - that's some progressive gremlin, my inner Mr. Hyde, stealing my account to post the progressive ideals I fear and aspire to. You got me, Hal. It's not that you see outrageously false, naive and frequently misogynistic things in the name of "progressivism" - it's that I hate myself. Fear and Loathing in Las Peracles. Noted, grazie - you've almost cleansed me.- a few more rounds of self-flagellation and I'll be there.